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  • rferguson
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    It is difficult to believe that there is a true demand for a A380 daily to HKG ?
    Todays flight is about to land

    Tonights is overboooked. By passengers that is.

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    rferguson
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    This could give an idea of BA’s schedule going forward. Just a couple points – 1) it has NOT been published by BA. It has been published by a site called routesonline.com which I guess gets their data from the airline Computer Reservations Systems (CRS). 2) I wouldn’t read too much into aircraft types displayed. Some aircraft types on this list appear on ba.com but differ on my own roster. I would say BA have yet to update aircraft types in the CRS. 3) things will remain very fluid and change day by day based on government lockdowns etc. For example, Singapores decision yesterday to close SIN to transit traffic may impact the SIN/SYD flight. HKG has just announced it is closed to all foreigners and that could impact the daily flight.

    Interesting to see PVG and PEK back on the list with three and four weekly flights respectively planned from May.

    London Heathrow – Abu Dhabi 29MAR20 – 29APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Abuja 1 daily 777-200ER
    London Heathrow – Accra 30MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Atlanta 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Austin 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Bahrain – Dammam 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Baltimore/Washington 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Bangalore 30MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, A350-1000XWB operating (service cancelled 22MAR20 – 29MAR20)
    London Heathrow – Bangkok 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Beijing Daxing 29MAR20 – 30APR20 7 weekly cancelled (Service operates 4 weekly in May 2020)
    London Heathrow – Boston 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 25 to 7 weekly, 777-200ER operating
    London Heathrow – Buenos Aires Ezeiza 18APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 3-class 777-200ER operating (service resumes on 18APR20)
    London Heathrow – Cairo 02APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, 787-8 operating (service resumes on 02APR20)
    London Heathrow – Calgary
    29MAR20 – 21APR20 Reduce from 4 to 3 weekly, 787-8 operating
    22APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 787-8 operating

    London Heathrow – Cape Town 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 10 weekly to alternating days, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Charleston SC 29MAR20 – 02MAY20 2 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Chennai 23MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Chicago O’Hare 30MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, BA295/294 777-200ER replaces 747-400
    London Heathrow – Dallas/Ft. Worth 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Denver 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Doha 01APR20 – 30APR20 1 daily 787-9 (selected dates operated by 787-8; service resumes on 01APR20)
    London Heathrow – Dubai 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 3 to 1 daily, 777-200ER operating
    London Heathrow – Durban 29MAR20 – 30APR20 3 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Hong Kong 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 777-300ER operating
    London Heathrow – Houston 29MAR20 – 30APR20 2 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Hyderabad 30MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-8/-9 operating (service cancelled 22MAR20 – 29MAR20)
    London Heathrow – Islamabad eff 02APR20 3 weekly 787-8 (service resumes on 02APR20)
    London Heathrow – Jeddah 29MAR20 – 01MAY20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Johannesburg 31MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 747-400 operating (No flights on 29/30MAR20)
    London Heathrow – Kuala Lumpur 30MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Kuwait City 02APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 777-200ER operating (service resumes on 02APR20)
    London Heathrow – Lagos 30MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Las Vegas 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Los Angeles 31MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 3 to 1 daily, 747-400 operating (No flights on 29/30MAR20)
    London Heathrow – Mahe Island 01APR20 – 30APR20 2 weekly reservation closed
    London Heathrow – Mexico City 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Miami 29MAR20 – 30APR20 3 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Montreal 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Mumbai 03APR20 – 16MAY20 Reduce from 19 to 7 weekly, 3-class 777-200ER operating (service cancelled 23MAR20 – 02APR20)
    London Heathrow – Muscat Seasonal service now discontinued on 28MAR20, instead of 18APR20
    London Heathrow – Nairobi 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Nassau – Grand Cayman
    23MAR20 – 12APR20 5 weekly cancelled
    13APR20 – 02MAY20 Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, 3-class 777-200ER operating

    London Heathrow – Nashville 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Newark 29MAR20 – 30APR20 13 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – New Orleans 29MAR20 – 30APR20 6 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – New York JFK 31MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 55 to 14 weekly, 747-400 and 777-200ER operating
    London Heathrow – Osaka Kansai 28MAR20 – 29APR20 4 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Philadelphia 29MAR20 – 30APR20 10 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Pittsburgh 29MAR20 – 30APR20 4 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Phoenix 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Rio de Janeiro Galeao 28MAR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Riyadh 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 4 weekly, 747-400 operating (777-200ER on 29/30MAR20 and from 26APR20)
    London Heathrow – San Diego 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – San Francisco
    29MAR20 – 03APR20 service cancelled
    04APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 747-400 operating

    London Heathrow – San Jose CA 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Santiago de Chile 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Sao Paulo Guarulhos 1 daily 777-300ER
    London Heathrow – Seattle 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 777-300ER operating
    London Heathrow – Seoul Incheon 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Shanghai Pu Dong 29MAR20 – 01MAY20 1 daily cancelled (Service operates 3 weekly in May 2020)
    London Heathrow – Singapore 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Singapore – Sydney 1 daily 777-300ER
    London Heathrow – Tel Aviv 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 19 to 7 weekly, 777-200ER/A350-1000XWB operating
    London Heathrow – Tokyo Haneda 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 777-300ER operating
    London Heathrow – Toronto 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 777-200ER/787-8/787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Vancouver 1 daily 747-400
    London Heathrow – Washington Dulles 01APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, planned A350-1000XWB service now scheduled on 01APR20

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    DavidSmith2
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    A question, rferguson…. How does BA deal with the fact that, to operate (for example) the Accra flight, the crew usually overnight at a hotel in Accra. No doubt it is the same for all longhaul flights. Are aircrew exempt from the ban on non-residents being allowed to enter a country? Or are there changes to the work patterns? (e.g. crew are brought back on the inward flight?)


    rferguson
    Participant

    A question, rferguson…. How does BA deal with the fact that, to operate (for example) the Accra flight, the crew usually overnight at a hotel in Accra. No doubt it is the same for all longhaul flights. Are aircrew exempt from the ban on non-residents being allowed to enter a country? Or are there changes to the work patterns? (e.g. crew are brought back on the inward flight?)

    It’s a mixture currently. For the shorter longhaul flights there is a dispensation available that allows BA to operate the flights with two crews. One will rest on the outbound (First Class blocked off) whilst the other operates. When they arrive in say ABV/ACC/LOS they will swap over and the crew that operated out will rest on the return.

    Longer long haul flights there is generally a dispensation by the health authorities for the crew to slip. These however are quite strict. DXB, SIN, SEZ, South Africa require all crew to remain in their own hotel rooms the ENTIRE duration of the trip currently. Grim! DXB has even gone further – it tests all incoming crew for COVID-19.

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    rferguson
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    An update from routesonline regarding BA’s plans for April.

    From LHR it looks like for at least the first half of April there will be a number of longhaul departures in the single digits.

    London Heathrow – Abu Dhabi 29MAR20 – 29APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Abuja 29MAR20 – 23APR20 1 daily 777-200ER cancelled
    London Heathrow – Accra 30MAR20 – 11APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 747-400 operating 12APR20 – 24APR20 Cancelled
    25APR20 – 29APR20 777-200ER operates alternating days
    London Heathrow – Atlanta 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Austin 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Bahrain – Dammam 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Baltimore/Washington 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Bangalore 22MAR20 – 14APR20 1 daily cancelled 15APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, A350-1000XWB operating
    London Heathrow – Bangkok 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Beijing Daxing 29MAR20 – 30APR20 7 weekly cancelled (Service operates 4 weekly in May 2020)
    London Heathrow – Boston 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 25 to 7 weekly, 787-9 replaces 777-200ER
    London Heathrow – Buenos Aires Ezeiza 18APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 3-class 777-200ER operating (service resumes on 18APR20)
    London Heathrow – Cairo 02APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, 787-8 operating (service resumes on 02APR20)
    London Heathrow – Calgary 29MAR20 – 20APR20 4 weekly cancelled 19APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Cape Town 29MAR20 – 06APR20 Reduce from 10 weekly to alternating days, 747-400 operating 07APR20 – 17APR20 Service cancelled
    18APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 10 weekly to alternating days, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Charleston SC 29MAR20 – 02MAY20 2 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Chennai 23MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Chicago O’Hare 30MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, BA295/294 777-200ER replaces 747-400
    London Heathrow – Dallas/Ft. Worth 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Denver 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Doha 18APR20 – 30APR20 1 daily 787-9 (selected dates operated by 787-8; service resumes on 18APR20)
    London Heathrow – Dubai 31MAR20 – 24APR20 3 daily cancelled 25APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 3 to 1 daily, A350-1000XWB replaces 777-200ER
    London Heathrow – Durban 29MAR20 – 30APR20 3 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Hong Kong 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 777-300ER operating
    London Heathrow – Houston 29MAR20 – 30APR20 2 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Hyderabad 22MAR20 – 14APR20 1 daily cancelled 15APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-8/-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Islamabad eff 05APR20 3 weekly 787-8 (service resumes on 05APR20)
    London Heathrow – Jeddah 29MAR20 – 01MAY20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Johannesburg 29MAR20 – 17APR20 2 daily cancelled 18APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – Kuala Lumpur 29MAR20 – 18APR20 1 daily cancelled 19APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Kuwait City 13APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 777-200ER operating (service resumes on 13APR20)
    London Heathrow – Lagos 29MAR20 – 24APR20 1 daily cancelled 25APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 777-200ER replaces 747-400
    London Heathrow – Las Vegas 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Los Angeles 29MAR20 – 03APR20 3 daily cancelled 04APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 3 to 1 daily, 787-9 operating (Previous plan: 747-400)
    London Heathrow – Mahe Island 01APR20 – 30APR20 2 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Mexico City 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Miami 29MAR20 – 30APR20 3 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Montreal 29MAR20 – 17APR20 Service cancelled 18APR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Mumbai 23MAR20 – 14APR20 Service cancelled 15APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 19 to 7 weekly, 787-8 replaces 777-200ER
    London Heathrow – Muscat Seasonal service now discontinued on 28MAR20, instead of 18APR20
    London Heathrow – Nairobi 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 777-200ER replaces 747-400
    London Heathrow – Nassau – Grand Cayman 23MAR20 – 12APR20 5 weekly cancelled 13APR20 – 02MAY20 Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, 3-class 777-200ER operating
    London Heathrow – Nashville 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Newark 29MAR20 – 30APR20 13 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – New Orleans 29MAR20 – 30APR20 6 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – New York JFK 31MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 55 to 14 weekly, 777-200ER/-300ER operating (Previous plan: 747-400/777-200ER)
    London Heathrow – Osaka Kansai 28MAR20 – 29APR20 4 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Philadelphia 29MAR20 – 30APR20 10 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Pittsburgh 29MAR20 – 30APR20 4 weekly cancelled
    London Heathrow – Phoenix 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Rio de Janeiro Galeao 31MAR20 – 22APR20 Service cancelled 23APR20 – 29APR20 Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Riyadh 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 4 weekly, 747-400 operating (777-200ER on 29/30MAR20 and from 26APR20)
    London Heathrow – San Diego 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – San Francisco 29MAR20 – 03APR20 service cancelled 04APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 747-400 operating
    London Heathrow – San Jose CA 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Santiago de Chile 29MAR20 – 04APR20 Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, 787-9 operating 05APR20 – 22APR20 Service cancelled
    23APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 5 to 3 weekly, 787-9 operating
    London Heathrow – Sao Paulo Guarulhos 01APR20 – 22APR20 1 daily 777-300ER cancelled
    London Heathrow – Seattle 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 787-9 replaces 777-300ER
    London Heathrow – Seoul Incheon 29MAR20 – 28APR20 Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-8 operating
    London Heathrow – Shanghai Pu Dong 29MAR20 – 01MAY20 1 daily cancelled (Service operates 3 weekly in May 2020)
    London Heathrow – Singapore 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled
    London Heathrow – Singapore – Sydney 1 daily 777-300ER
    London Heathrow – Tel Aviv 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 19 to 7 weekly, 777-200ER/A350-1000XWB operating
    London Heathrow – Tokyo Haneda 29MAR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, 787-9 replaces 777-300ER
    London Heathrow – Toronto 29MAR20 – 17APR20 2 daily cancelled 18APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, A350-1000XWB operating
    London Heathrow – Vancouver 31MAR20 – 17APR20 1 daily 747-400 cancelled
    London Heathrow – Washington Dulles 01APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily, planned A350-1000XWB service now scheduled on 01APR20, instead of 29MAR20

    From LGW:

    Even worse. I wouldn’t be surprised if they suspend LGW ops altogether for the short term

    London Gatwick – Antigua 02APR20 – 16APR20 1 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Antigua – Providenciales 29MAR20 – 16APR20 2 weekly 777-200ER cancelled (LGW – Antigua sector cancelled from 02APR20)
    London Gatwick – Antigua – St. Kitts 26MAR20 – 17APR20, 2 weekly 777-200ER cancelled (LGW – Antigua sector cancelled from 02APR20)
    London Gatwick – Antigua – Tobago 27MAR20 – 16APR20 2 weekly 777-200ER cancelled (LGW – Antigua sector cancelled from 02APR20)
    London Gatwick – Bermuda 16APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 7 to 3 weekly, 777-200ER operating (service resumes on 16APR20)
    London Gatwick – Bridgetown 02APR20 – 16APR20 11 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Cancun 30MAR20 – 17APR20 5 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Kingston 26MAR20 – 16APR20 4 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Las Vegas 29MAR20 – 30APR20 6 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Lima 29MAR20 – 30APR20 3 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Mauritius 24MAR20 – 17APR20 3 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – New York JFK 29MAR20 – 16MAY20 1 daily 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Orlando 29MAR20 – 13APR20 14 weekly cancelled 14APR20 – 30APR20 Reduce from 14 to 7 weekly, 777-200ER operating
    London Gatwick – Punta Cana 29MAR20 – 18APR20 3 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – San Jose (Costa Rica) 29MAR20 – 30JUN20 2-3 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – St. Lucia – Grenada 26MAR20 – 16APR20 2 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – St. Lucia – Port of Spain 27MAR20 – 16APR20 5 weekly 777-200ER cancelled
    London Gatwick – Tampa 29MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily 777-200ER cancelled

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    stevescoots
    Participant

    I am waiting for BA to cancel the HK flights in April so i can get a refund instead of a voucher…Since they have banned all non residents i cannot fly anyway


    rferguson
    Participant

    Willie Walsh gave an interview to CNN yesterday afternoon. He stated…”well we’re planning on an effective shutdown for a couple of months with a very gradual build up after that”.

    Although still no official release. ‘Effective shutdown’ could be interpreted in a number of ways I guess. Complete and utter grounding after the repatriation flights. Maintain cargo flights only. Maintain cargo and service to the few US ‘gateway’ destinations only.


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    Seeing the pictures of all the parked up aircraft, my curiosity has got the better of me.

    What actually happens to the aircraft both in their ‘lock down’ and on an ongoing basis. These are not ‘graveyard’ assets, but multi million pound complex pieces of engineering equipment, that require constant engineering inspections.

    How long can you simply park up and walk away from so many aircraft and when the times comes to start moving, is it simply a standard pre flight inspection.

    Interested to hear the answers.

    I know pilots/cabin crew may need some back to work training after 90 days or so inactivity… but what about the aircraft themselves??


    travelworld2
    Participant

    Martyn Sinclair- others on here will know far more than me but my understanding is that there is a very strict maintenance regime for aircraft which are parked up like this which has to be adhered to or the plane will effectively be unflyable. It’s not like a car which you can leave for a few weeks with no great issue other than a flat battery.

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