[BigDog.]

“Live Comfortable Lives” – like forcing a funnel down a duck’s gullet to force feed it and inflate its liver to over 10 times the normal size.

Foie Gras results from abusing ducks during the course of their short lives, not just in death.

Foie Gras should be banned.

http://www.nofoiegras.org/

[MartynSinclair]

Hi Bruce, thats exactly my point, if a bolt renders an animal unconcious, before its throat is slit………….

You will also note that the Kosher way is one continuous slit as oppose to a possible “sawing” action.

Always happy to debate and discuss, but not sure too many people would appreciate this level of discussion on a travel forum.

If you would like, i would always be happy to arrange a visit to an abbatoir for you to judge for your self and to speak to the people who know…….

[Bruce98]

Martyn

Your assumption that I have not been to an abbatoir is so far off the mark that it is funny.

I accept Kosher/Halal, but neither comes from my faith and I wish animals to be pre-stunned, if I am buying their meat in a general supermarket. I am not attacking your beliefs or anyone elses.

Big Dog, I completely agree.

[Stringfellow]

Again we come back to this is ok, this is not. My wife is French, grew up in an area where the production of Foie Gras is an important local industry and she regards it as a food that is perfectly acceptable to buy and consume however she was very upset to hear I was once offered dog in Korea, she regarded eating dogs as extremely cruel but was unable to explain why. I have eaten camel in North Africa on a number of occasions, something my steak loving daughter thinks is appalling. Several of my American friends regard the British love of Kidney and Liver as beyond comprehension.
Although I would never defend gratuitous cruelty of an animal I do think the wider population needs to reconnect with the reality of meat production and understand how that hamburger gets to their plate.

[VintageKrug]

I am not entirely sure where we got into the Foie debate.

I eat it, sparingly, and enjoy doing so. Just as I also eat veal. But I make sure it’s not from an unethical producer, which addresses the concerns set out above.

You can get Foie Gras which is responsibly sourced, in the US and also Spain, I believe:

http://www.havengastropub.com/_blog/Haven_Gastropub/post/Why_Fight_For_Foie_Statement_from_Chef_Greg_Daniels/

“Foie gras production by responsible, artisan farmers in the U.S. is ethical and humane. Ducks naturally overeat to fatten up for migration, and farmers have just harnessed that natural instinct. The gavage they use to feed doesn’t hurt the duck. The fact is when you see pictures or videos of tubes being pushed down a duck’s throat, it looks painful: however, ducks have no gag reflex, they breathe through their tongues, and they swallow whole fish. It’s just not true to say that this is animal cruelty. That’s where the problem lies: LIES.”

I don’t agree with banning anything; just as is the case on this forum, a ban will simply be abused and the item banned will simply go underground, and may still be available but with even fewer controls around it than was the case previously. That’s not good for consumers, and not good for the animals themselves.

To date, I haven’t enjoyed Dog.

[BeckyBoop]

Not even a Hot Dog?

[BigDog.]

If a duck “Overeats naturally” then let it overeat itself. Gunning 4lb of food a day using a funnel forced down its neck to engorge the liver would therefore not be necessary.

I would love to see evidence of a humanely treated duck having a liver 10 times the norm for its species.

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/the-pain-behind-foie-gras.aspx

Fortunately Foie Gras has recently been banned in California. They had given their establishments a few years to consume/clear stock. Now it cannot be purchased in the state.

Where California leads other states usually follow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/california-foie-gras-ban_n_1638380.html

[VintageKrug]

No muzzle? 😉

[canucklad]

The question is , would a Foie Gras duck be able to take flight, or for that matter paddle about in Linlithgow Loch?

String fellow, I have to laugh at your comment about your American friends…..and our eating habits!!

Have they no idea what goes into a wiener?

This is the same folk (sweeping generalization here) whose citizens paid to go on a Haggis shoot!

[Papillion53]

And Canucklad, on the way to the Haggis shoot, they admired the lovely bloomin’ purple heather – actually a field of purple flowering tatties! 😉 🙂

Now we all know why haggis have two long legs and two shorter legs, don’t we? It’s so they can run around the hills faster.

BigDog @09:47 – we agree!

[canucklad]

Papillion53…..Apologies to all for going off topic….but it is Friday

You’re potato story reminds me of a tale my policeman friend told me.

A couple of American tourists, up for the festival were having an argument on George Street……..(for those not familiar with Edinburgh ,George street is the middle street that runs down the spine of the top of the hill…vistas over the water and to the castle the other way.

Anyway, he was summoned in a Southern drawl by the husband–complete with Stetson and Bermuda shorts…

Husband…” can you settle an argument….I say that’s France over there…(pointing to Fife!!!) my darling wife says we no were near France?”

My Mate….Sorry madam, your husbands right, that is france!!

[MartynSinclair]

Bruce: stunned with a bullet to its head (viewer diescretion advised). This clip is from a prime time US TV show – music, dancing, prayer and a bullet to one of the guests, who is then sectionalised and eaten, with some parts frozen (after the guest has partaken in a final meal)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCseh-EzEs

Its not just in the far east where animal slaughtering methods are questionable!

I/we may not agree with everything seen when travelling, but it is an education and an opportunity, as this thread quite rightly does, to inform others………………..

[TerryMcManus24]

Took all our staff out for Christmas lunch about 15 years ago when working in Hanoi and the resturant that they all voted on was of course one that specialised in deep fried pooches.

Served up with a decent sauce avec loads of Bier Hoi even our young,very conservative femail staff were out to enjoy/party…which they did…Cant say I remember much …Hic.

As mentioned above… snakes,bats,rats,balotte eggs,monkey,pangolin,donkey,horse,bear,squirrel..etc are all accepted as the norm in so many places and you should see the “Angrit” eyes open when I dish up freshly killed haggis….cant get too excited…ones mans meat and all that.

Remember one time during a “lamb grab”..think Saudi empty quarter somwewhere where the “sheep”was a mass of dripping fat,the goats heads brains and eyeballs were everywhere and the camel steaks were just too tough to cut…bit too fresh…….and no beer…yuch

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