[Xuluman]

Erm, you talked about giving a performance bonus to pilots based on customer feedback, similar to the cabin crew, in your original reply to Enigmatic.

I stated that you as a customer onboard would have no idea how the pilot performed to enable that feedback. Fair?

You then called me arrogant, and condescending … But worst of all a Nigel! (Joke)

Let’s pick on those damn lazy LHR firemen. Maybe you could reduce their profession to sitting around a TV all day, then demand a wage cut via a discernable (sic) water saving performance characteristic?

[BigDog.]

mm… Suggest you reread the posts and get your facts right

ImissConcorde – 17/07/2013 16:48 GMT
As B.A try to enter the modern world and reward staff for performance rather than length of service I hope you’ve managed to find time to feed back to B.A. about you experience.

I responded to IMissConcorde and was explicit in that…

17:09… one hopes Imissconcorde’s valid point is applied to Pilots as performance as well as supply/demand should impact reward. Salaries in excess of £100k can no longer be justified especially if BA are seeking to reduce costs elsewhere.

I was not replying to Enigmatic, I was commenting on ImissConcorde post which I agreed with by commenting that imo Pilots were the most egregious example within BA, of pay for length of service as opposed to performance.

Am still awaiting your suggestions for assessing Pilot’s performance Xuluman.

[millionsofmiles]

BigDog

Worldwide, eperienced pilots are paid better than ones with less flight experience. And, imho, there is a reason behind it. Older pilots have the calm, the routine and ability to react to stress situations.
An eperienced pilot might not have caused the Korean Air crash last week.
And: 100K is rather cheap, at CX, LH and some others very senior pilots can rake in up to 300K. Which is a lot, maybe too much, in my opinion.
But then, 100K is a good salary, but rather standard pay for teamleaders in IT, specialists and senior sales excecs.

[Xuluman]

I apologise. It was Imissconcorde’s valid point! Not that it makes any difference to the proceedings.

Edit: Is there not an inherent assumption that length of service equals experience, and is therefore awarded as such? As in many other professions.

[BigDog.]

MillionsofMiles – fine, then the logic can also apply to cabin crew. It is their experience when things go wrong that is of value, not the fact that most of the job is waiting on. For some reason BA appears to devalue their cabin crew yet are inconsistent when it comes to their pilots.

Experienced cabin crew show their value when the exceptions occur not the standard (autopilot) times. Nevertheless Iberia pilots appear to be taking a 20-26% cut, just as CC cost have been cut, the pilots pay is imo no longer justified.

Xuluman, you asked for my (laypersons) ideas for performance related pay for pilots, I duly responded and asked you for your ideas, am still waiting.

[millionsofmiles]

BigDog, absolutely right about cabin crew.

Older stewies have always been better in my eyes than younger, unexperienced ones. And also, the handling of exceptions might be better.
LH cabin crew could make upto 70K a senior pursers, but also LH is trying to cut and cut…at least with younger people.
But then this development is driven by tle low-cost segment. It devalues the service of flying in general and leads to reductions in payments and qualification levels.
IMHO there is no need at all to fly to Spain over weekend for 100 Pounds. What you give to one, you take from another. And, just to say: I am not a socialist at all.

[BigDog.]

As I posted earlier 17/07/2013 13:53 GMT

What goes around….

Spring Air, a Chinese Airline has picked up on a key reason why BA was the world’s favourite airline… before egregious Walsh.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365498/Chinese-airline-hires-flight-aunties-stewardesses-reliable-trolley-dollies.html

edit : Clearly there is a disconnect somewhere as some US airline pilots needed two jobs. So am not suggest anything like the situation highlighted by Michael Moore in his exposé “Capitalism: a love story”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQJx3L_CDQ

with pilots on $20k, however if one is talking about expense reduction or pay for performance then surely the most reprehensible examples should be tackled first.

[Xuluman]

BD,
My question was clearly rhetorical. I do not think there should be day to day performance related pay for Pilots. I certainly do not want your ‘layperson’ ideas for performance related pay.

The only way performance is required above standard is in command assessment, and subsequent promotion up the chain into training or a myriad or other departments.

I wouldn’t embarrass you by detailing your suggestions. You wouldn’t understand mine.

[SimonS1]

What has this got to do with “BA Pleasure”?

[BigDog.]

Don’t mind me Xuluman I don’t regard willingness to become better informed as embarrassing. I have several pilot friends who could explain your hopefully complex response, if my 2 postgraduate degrees still leave me wanting.

So prevaricate no longer, don’t be coy – enlighten us with your undoubted expertise instead of your put downs.

[Hermes1964]

SimonS1
Exactly! We’re inches away from this turning into another BA rant. A couple more goes and we’ll be onto Mixed Fleet v Legacy and performance assessment. Then again it is bedtime and that would help us all sleep well. Please can we stick to the subject or open a new thread.

[MartynSinclair]

BigDog – I would gladly contribute further on pilot pay, but perhaps you could start a suitable thread.

This garden was in full bloom, about the pleasure of BA, created to balance the BA disappointment thread….

Pilot pay & performance I am sure will be a very heated debate……. bring it on Big Dog, but please, on an appropriate thread…..

SimonS1 & Hermes1964 +1

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Hello Martyn

I would like to mention BA check-in staff in the US, a real credit to the airline.

Oops, how did I forget the staff in the CCR at JFK. Superb 😉

[EnigmaticStar]

Imc – I spoke to Imna myself twice as there’s nothing like vis-a-vis appreciation. Already emailed BA but thanks for the heads up!

JC

[lloydah]

Rerturning in F to connect to a CE flight was denied access to CCR at first but the supervisor was called and was an absolute dream. He was polite to the Dragon then escorted me into the lounge with explanations of the complicated rules and apologies by the shovelful. The best face of BA.

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