83.2% Vote for Industrial Action

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    BASSA members increase their vote against the continuing Bullying, Intimidation and Victimisation ….

    Papers returned – 6,985
    Invalid 4
    Total valid – 6981

    YES Votes – 5,811 83.2% up from 78.5% previously.
    NO Votes – 1,170 16.8%

    As reported by Electoral Reform Services.

    BA need to wake up to the fact that as long as they are beating down on their own premium front line team, the competition are increasing their lead over BA.

    Allow ACAS to arbitrate without conditions – now.

    BA are currently demanding that they have an option to reject members of the ACAS team also not be bound by adverse findings – BA needs to be seen to manage fairly and earn the trust of its team.



    your having a laugh right?

    6985? Bassa is doing even worse than i thought, membership down almost 4000, so they must be getting very close to the mark where they lose there recognition as a union.

    as well the yes votes now represent less than 50% of total crew at LHR, so I would say that the majority of crew at LHR are fine with the way things are.


    5811 crew want to strike…………………in other words less than half the total number of crew at the airline. So we have once again a vocal, misguided and poorly led minority of crew, dictating their views and jeopardising the futures and jobs of the majority.

    As it happens this result mirrors my own experience of flying this weekend with a minority of miserable crew who were out performed by the majority who are willing to do the job.

    Strike if you want to, it is only your own futures that you are putting at risk.


    Again, less than 50% of crew have voted to strike. And that’s in spite of the fact that BASSA made it clear that the dispute is no longer about striking so anyone voting Yes knew they didn’t have to walk the walk.

    It is sad that so many guillable misguided fools have fallen for BASSA’s propaganda campaign.

    The number of Yes votes is down substantially since the first ballot (nearly 4,000 votes). As is Unite’s membership (nearly 3,000 fewer members).

    The bullying, victimisation and intimidation in this dispute has been by the BASSA militants, not the company.


    Less than 25% of the electorate voted Conservative at the last election.

    BA can continue to bury its head in the sand. In reality the vast majority of their premium front line team have a serious issue with the BA leadership continued bullying, intimidation and victimisation.

    Apparently only a couple of hundred of the established career crew have signed up for the contract on offer.

    The free to join alternative union has tiny membership.

    New crew joining cannot be protected by BASSA as BASSA are not recognised to negotiate their T&C.

    BA can choose to ignore this substantial mandate and let the pax uncertainty continue and bottom of the barrel morale continue or it can agree to engage ACAS and get it resolved.


    Substantial mandate? From those few members of a worn out union.

    25% voted Conservative at the last election? Not that it has any bearing on this. oh sorry of course you must be a lefty, but 100% of the electorate had a choice to vote or not. 100% ob BA crew don’t.

    New cre joining cannot be protected by BASSA? Have you thought that they may not actually want to be represented by a jurasic organisation?


    Real figures
    Number of ballots issued……………….10220…………….9824…………..-396
    Votes for……………………………………5751(56%)………5811(59%)…+60
    Votes against……………………………..1579 (15%)……..1170 (12%)…- 409
    Did not vote……………………………….2890 (28%)………2843(29%)…- 47

    And of course the acid test

    %age of all cabin crew who support strike action 45%

    No real change in the numbers supporting strike action, despite the exhortations by the union to ‘send a message’ or the indications from management about the likely impact on those who take strike action. Seems we have hit the hard core.


    BA looks to be taking a more conciliatory tone.


    “BA also softened its tone, declining to repeat its claim that less than half of the cabin crew workforce of 13,500 employees is in favour of walkouts. “This is a time for co-operation, not confrontation,” said BA. “We began talks with Unite earlier this month, and those talks are continuing. We hope they will bring an end to this dispute, which is what the overwhelming majority of our cabin crew want.”

    Also within Waterside the “I’m backing BA” campaign initiated by WW is not getting the support it started with as increasing numbers of employees see the tactics BA have used and fear for their own positions in future.


    “Also within Waterside the “I’m backing BA” campaign initiated by WW is not getting the support it started with as increasing numbers of employees see the tactics BA have used and fear for their own positions in future.”

    Is this statement based on fact or on your own imagination?


    This is unbelievable.

    Nearly 18 months on from the 1st ballot, the vote has increased slightly (from the last) and represents well over 10% of the entire workforce.

    I have to conclude that this is a sick company and drastic action is required.

    But who will bet against a typically British compromise?


    BASSA has been saying that WW/BA is on the verge of losing support at Waterside for the entire duration of this dispute, just as they have been claiming other workgroups will be next.


    Think Tete de cuvee is flying a kite with his assertion on the support from other groups of workers, particularly as the engineers and pilots have just secured pay deals and ground staff either have or are close to doing so as well. I’d say that given that information, other BA workers have little to fear apart from the thought that another strike by cabin crew, if not nullified by volunteer action, has the potential to impact revenue and hence jobs.

    I’d also suggest that the latest ballot result is not really surprising. There were slightly fewer cabin crew balloted this time than in December. That said, the actual numbers voting for strike action are broadly the same, whilst the apathy from the membership seems to grow.

    There is a deal of difference between gaining a majority for strike action from those who elected to vote and turning that into tangible action. By all accounts, Unite is intending to call strike dates and then cancel them at the last minute, the intention being to atempt to deter customers from flying BA. This policy is flawed, since to be effective, it has to be a closely guarded secret up till the point that it is put into practice. Signalling such an intent this much in advance could mean that the union is trying a double bluff, or that they really have lost the plot. The gamble for cabin crew is twofold. If they go out on strike there is no knowing what BA’s response might be. The union have successfully indicated that this latest ballot is a continuation of the previous dispute and hence would be unprotected. This leaves any cabin crew who opted to strike open to dismissal. So the cabin crew would be gambling that the union might call off action and save them from the possibility of being sacked.

    So whilst Unite might have succeeded in getting 5700 or so members to back strike action, the number who are likely to want to put their necks on the line will, in all probability, be less than that. Once again they will be unable to create a broad base that will stop the airline, That being the case, it has to be argued that it is better not to call strike action than be seen as an ineffectual organisation. Hence the union’s reticence at announcing strike dates.


    C4 news precise of the ballot and dispute with comment from Duncan Holley. It notes the millions BA will lose to the competition due to the uncertainty



    I’m saying nothing til we get official word from VintageKrug

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