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  • Tete_de_cuvee
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    It appears another front is opening up against WW machinations…

    http://www.24dash.com/news/central_government/2011-04-18-RPI-and-CPI-Fires-the-Grey-Revolution


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Worth a read to understand what BA is now rectifying. This lady had been sacked, today resulting from independent review by a person who wasn’t pedalling an agenda, she has been reinstated after 7 months.

    Her letter of thanks to colleagues…

    Thank you my dear dear wonderful friends. I was reinstated today after 7 months of trying to get my story across. I was finally listened to by a lovely lady who was incredibly compassionate, yes really!!!! I have to say though that I just CANNOT fully celebrate as so many of my now very very close friends are still sat at home living the horror of being unemployed , broke and some mentally battered by it all.

    Through this whole drama I have had XXXX as my rep, well its been emotional to say the least! We have laughed, cried and I have had a few tantrums along the way too, but she has believed me from the start and held my hand through it all (even a few kicks under the table at times hahaha) All I can think about this afternoon are the ones still sacked or suspended, I wish this relief I feel comes to them all soon. Thank you for your support and messages. Look forward to seeing you all again I really do, I have missed you all so much.

    Thank you XXXX and thank you to the lady that listened she has given me and the children our lives back, I hope and pray the others can also have the same treatment.

    This has been the worst time of my life and its heartbreaking thinking of the others in the same boat I was in. To all of you, thank you thank you THANK YOU


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Flight crew protest against exec pay…
    … now this is a good idea as Walsh’s shareholder value decreases appear proportional to his pay increases…

    http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-20/business/29451810_1_executive-compensation-flight-crews-american-airlines


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Is increased exec pay for underperformance endemic within the oneworld group?

    We hear of platitudes that bonuses will only be awarded for performance, yet coming last is still performing and warrants a bonus!

    Can anyone enlighten us as to the circumstances whereby WW et al do not get a bonus?

    AA have the same problem, now their cabin crew are doing something about it, I hope shareholders on both sides of the pond are taking note.

    http://www.apfa.org/content/category/9/529/626

    http://www.apfa.org/images/hotline/indictment_april_2011.pdf


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Recent update below. One hopes BA is not playing brinksmanship or engaged in a cynical filibuster to avoid a strike during April. WW & KW should realise the cabin crew are patient and could maintain the action into 2012, the Olympics and beyond. Best for BA to get real now. BA will not have any hope of a successful rebrand with a company so demoralised, riven by bullying, intimidation and strife.

    Talks update…

    For the first time in over a year, BASSA reps have now been able to meet with British Airways. The talks were positive but there still remain a number of difficult areas. Though it must be acknowledged that given both the time that has gone by and the acrimonious situation that exists, initial progress was encouraging, but there still remains a lot of work to be done in a short period of time.

    Lenny McClusky and Keith Williams will rejoin the talks next week.

    Next week is all important.

    An extension to our industrial action period was agreed, however this expires on Monday 9th May. So prior to that day we must have either reached a solution we believe will be acceptable to you, or call strike action.

    Realistically given the weekend, this must be done by Friday night on the 6th May.

    By the end of next week we will either call strike dates or have an offer of resolution for you.


    pixelmeister
    Participant

    Remarkable. This nugget doesn’t seem to appear anywhere else on the web. Presumably it is culled directly from the BASSA forum ? Rather suggests that some people on hear are not quite what they seem…

    Given that BA have got a stack of volunteers, I would suggest that it is down to Unite to determine whether they wish to take the suicidal route of strike action. Let’s be clear. The union doesn’t have sufficient clout to stop BA from operating, so customers aren’t exactly going to run away. Oh sure, the union could refuse to settle, but that will mean that the membership will go another year with no pay deal, return of staff travel in full, etc. I note on another forum that there may be a ratjer interesting court case about to kick off, which could empty the pockets of one of the branches involved. If that were the case, I can see that it could wipe out the larger branch thereby bringing a rather abrupt halt to the whole proceedings. My impression is that BA have been businesslike and realistic throughout this dispute. The senior figures in Unite have also in the main followed the same course. At the branch level it is driven by emotion with no understanding of the wider business implications.

    Final point. As far as I am aware, only Unite can call strike dates, so unless the author of the above piece is a senior figure within Unite (and the tone of it suggests that they are actually a BASSA person, not a Unite official) any statement about calling strike dates is not worth the paper that it is written on.


    Alasdair
    Participant

    There are MANY forms a strike may take, and inconvenience could occur at any stroke. It is unwise to be on the receiving end, as it should be, unnecessary in the first place. Discussions should be mature and fruitful on both sides.


    pixelmeister
    Participant

    Alasdair – strikes can only take one form. It’s called walking out.

    The SWP mentality that believes that inconvenience could occur at any stroke, is sadly misplaced. There are a number of legal hoops that need to be cleared before any industrial action can occur. True, Unite have a ballot that gives them a mandate for industrial action in this case, but they are required to give the employer (in this case British Airways) seven days notice of any intended industrial action. Moreover, the union is the only party that can call for industrial action. The two branches of Unite involved in this dispute cannot independantly call for action. Any industrial action that is not called for by the union is deemed unofficial and those participating may find themselves in breach of their employment contract and therefore liable to summary dismissal. Moreover, if the branches have called for action without the sanction of Unite, then Unite may find themselves liable to court action for losses sustained by the company as a consequence, hence the rather rapid repudiation letter issued last year when cabin crew were being incited not to close window blinds on aircraft.

    It is very unwise to take industrial action without first ensuring that all the legal hurdles have been first cleared. Striking actually serves no useful purpose. Employers lose productivity, revenue, customer goodwill and the employee relations can take a long time to normalise afterwards. There is the risk that strike action can hit cash flow to the extent that the company is in severe financial trouble and could either go bust, be forced into administration, or subject to a hostile takeover. Workers lose pay. They also may lose jobs. If the strike has the effect of reducing revenue, then that may require additional cost savings to be made. In many cases this means downsizing the workforce. If the company goes bust it has even more disastrous effects in that the pension scheme may also get wound up.

    You only have to look at the industries that were beset with huge labour issues during the 1960′,70’s and 80’s to see what effect strike action has. The UK once had a flourishing heavy engineering sector, covering shipbuilding, steel and coal mining. It had a sizable mass market automotive industry. Where are they now ?


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    Talks extended to 15th May.

    Final decision day for a strike to be announced has now been extended to 15th May for further talks, as agreed by Unite and BA.


    VintageKrug
    Participant

    I would rather frame it as the 15th May being the day on which Agreement will be reached, as no right-minded Union wants to fail to reach agreement and inflict more costs on its membership.

    This does seem very close to resolution now.

    If Unite fail to reach agreement, and decides it is able to justify strike action, it must give seven days notice from 15th May, so Sunday 22nd May seems to be the earliest day on which the few cabin crew who voted for action might walk off…

    All flights from LGW, LCY and LHR longhaul will operate as normal, whether a strike is called or not.


    pixelmeister
    Participant

    Tete

    interesting post re: extension of deadline – odd that this hasn’t manifest itself on any of the news networks or even the websites of the two groups concerned. How sure are you of this rumour ?


    RichHI1
    Participant

    It is a shame that politics always divides opinion so strongly. The Flight Crews (Cabin and Flight Deck) are what makes BA special and it is unfortunate that the actions of both BA management and the Unions have somewhat tarnished this – not taking sides on blame here. I think the issues here are complex and probably require a much fuller understanding to optimize solutions. It does appear though that some carriers and some unions have been better at Indutrial Relations Management than others. I remember the BA Gate Gourmet fiasco and the subsequent board changes and cannot help wondering if there are not some lessons to be learned on both sides going forward.


    VintageKrug
    Participant

    In fact, BA has excellent relations with its other Unions – and has even successfully concluded negotiations direct with Unite (on Terminal Groudn Staff and Pensions) during the course of the Cabin Crew dispute.

    It is only the Cabin Crew Branch BASSA which has caused problems, and CC89 was less of an issue until it came under the control of the Socialist Worker Party.

    Thankfully, Duncan Holley has now been excluded from negotiations, and progress does seem to be being made with Unite and the focus is now on Unite bringing to heel its errant branches to agree a resolution to this conflict which has gone on far too long, principally because of BASSA’s incompetence and refusal to negotiate.


    Tete_de_cuvee
    Participant

    On May 12th there will be a meeting of BASSA members. Whatever proposal has been hammered out by Unite and BA by then will be voted upon as to whether it is good enough to put to another full ballot.

    If the members at the meeting believe the proposal is worth putting to a full ballot then the current mandate for strike action will be allowed to lapse and a further ballot held.

    If the members at the meeting do not believe the proposal is good enough to ballot on then Unite/BASSA will have 2 days to announce details of the strike plus 7 days notice.

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