[Poshgirl58]

Canucklad, you’ve summed it up perfectly.

There was an incident on a Thomas Cook flight recently, from BHX to TFS. The cabin manager and four of the cabin crew “surrounded” a young female passenger, who they believed was inappropriately attired. They considered she was dressed in night wear, so was asked to cover up to respect the other passengers. She had no jacket so borrowed one from her friend. Of course, she then took to social media to complain about her treatment, claiming she had been reduced to tears. Thomas Cook admitted their crew could have handled the issue better, so an apology was issued (according to press reports).

Back in my late teens/early twenties, would never dream of leaving the house dressed in a skimpy top and harem pants, on a winter morning even for a short car ride, never mind a flight! The words “you’re not going out dressed like that” would be ringing in my ears.

Social media has a lot to answer for. It’s influencing a generation with images and attitudes which are not teaching them proper behaviour and good manners. Then there’s the next group who also have no respect for authority and levels of aggression which can be alarming.

[stevescoots]

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Back in my late teens/early twenties, would never dream of leaving the house dressed in a skimpy top and harem pants, on a winter morning even for a short car ride, never mind a flight! The words “you’re not going out dressed like that” would be ringing in my ears.

Social media has a lot to answer for. It’s influencing a generation with images and attitudes which are not teaching them proper behaviour and good manners. Then there’s the next group who also have no respect for authority and levels of aggression which can be alarming.[/quote]

Same generation that complain they are offended at anything and everything that is contrary to what they feel is acceptable and being seen as just sexual objects………….

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Montysaurus

[TiredOldHack2]

The woman sitting next to me on my flight to Dubai recently did this, shoving her stockinged feet on the back of the seat in front of her (WT+). Then she brought out her own food, which looked and smelled rather unappetising, but maybe she was on some special diet.

It might have been the food or just her, but she also farted. Many times. Silent-But-Deadlies. Not my favourite flight.

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LuganoPirate

[TiredOldHack2]

[quote quote=924628]This sparked an argument about how it was unfair that I had more room than he did.[/quote]

Was he American?

[quote quote=924898]He boasts that he takes his wife and is also allowed to take his teenage kids into the lounge[/quote]

I’ma amazed that BA allows this. I did once ask, in AMS, if I could bring my teenage daughter into the lounge as well as my wife (both were on Blue: I’m Gold). Asked very politely and added: “If not, it’s not a problem: we’ll find somewhere else to sit.”

And the nice white-haired gent of a certain age who frequently presides over the lounge there (I bet lots of people know who I’m describing) said: “You’ve asked so nicely, so yes, of course.”

Comes back to manners again, I suppose.

[canucklad]

[quote quote=925555]It might have been the food or just her, but she also farted. Many times. Silent-But-Deadlies. Not my favourite flight.[/quote]

Don’t get me started TOH2
An accidental seepage of intestinal odour is acceptable, as its not meant.

What really , really and truly disgusts me is this , and it’s not for the first time this week that I’ve found myself using these words …… “a sense of entitlement”

“What are you getting so upset about, it’s a natural body function “
It’s only a fart”…” Nothing to do with you”
“I don’t need the loo, it’s just a bit of wind—YOU go to the loo if you don’t like it ”

Since the smoking ban , which I agreed with, its become more and more apparent that guttural control is sadly lacking in a high proportion of the population. And they don’t care if you don’t want to smell their insides whilst you travel on public transport , drinking a pint or sitting having a meal

Truly horrendous selfish behaviour.

I’m actually getting agitated just writing this post : )

[capetonianm]

This sparked an argument about how it was unfair that I had more room than he did.
Was he American?

No, he was Dutch. As I like the Dutch, I wasn’t going to mention it, but as you asked it’s only fair that I answer.

He was a full on socialist and felt that every seat should be charged at the same fare! I suggested he might wish to discuss with KLM’s revenue management people.

[LuganoPirate]

Like almost everything nowadays, standards seem to be lowered to that of the lowest level of society. As airfares get cheaper, more people fly and seem to take a perverse pleasure in p***ing everyone off, so they can either film and post it, or boast to their “mates” how well they annoyed their fellow travelers. Consideration has gone out the window and it’s now all about “me. me, me” and bugger everyone else. I don’t know why, but this behavior seems worse by certain nationalities who feel they’re entitled to the same standards as someone paying for a higher service.

On a lighter note, I heard a story of two ladies who were systematically taking as many freebies from the hotel buffet as they could. One said to the other, come on, lets take some chips. Open your bag and I’ll pour them in. OK, said the other, but put them in the front otherwise you’ll melt the butter!! 😉 Maybe apocryphal but nice anyway.

[Swissdiver]

[quote quote=924923]For me the continuing deterioration of manners is down to a coming together of 3 primary factors….

1) Social Media : We have a generation of young people and keen older advocates of this form of communication who seem to have morphed into this insular “it’s all about me,” selfish outlook on life. An abdication of Face to Face responsibility, replaced by empowered anonymity.

2) This behaviour is compounded by the re-enforcing messages found in the mainstream media . The popularity of Reality based programmes seems to normalize outrageous behaviour. And I’m not necessarily talking about Love island here. The conduct of the contestants on so called high brow programmes such as “ The Apprentice” are so outlandish to make any self-respecting normal person wince.

3) The final factor are the businesses offering these services themselves. Their deliberate and sustained dilution of expected customer service levels is at complete odds of the “Entitlement attitude/DYKWIA” of the above.

Is it any wonder that we have loud mouth boors, bare footed plebs or topically almost bare chested women who at the click of a button can cause a storm because they’re right to act as they want , without respect to others have been impinged !!

And sadly, those of us who conduct ourselves with a degree of dignity as we show respect to others, had better just get used to it. As I said at the beginning , this continuation of the deterioration of manners is just going to get worse as these influences increase.[/quote]

Aren’t these all excuses? What do you make of parents’ upbringing? I may look old fashioned here. But ultimately, isn’t it all about this?

[handbag]

As Crew, the worst for me was the amount of parents with small children who have little regard for anyone around them or who those that have to sit in their area on the next sector.

1.Changing a nappy on the bassinet table in full view of everyone. I would politely let them know that there was a baby changing table in all the toilets.
2. Nappies left on the floor by seat
3. Trying to give me a dirty nappy as I walked through the cabin. Then to be annoyed when I politely tell them that it needs to go in a bin in the toilet and that as a food handler, I cannot take their nappy.
4. Trying to put a nappy in the galley bin and again not being happy when asked put in toilet bin.
5. Ground in, crayons, chocolate, sweets, biscuits and food all over seats and carpets. I am not talking about a small spill or an accident, but total disregard for surrounding.
6. Drawing with crayons and felt tips on tables and seats.

There are lots of lovely parents who are respectful to others, but it never ceased to amaze me the amount that showed total disregard.

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[PeterCoultas]

Passing through New York en route for a camping trip was taken to an upmarket Italian restaurant for supper by a friend – no tie no jacket….HELP…. immediately supplied with both by the restaurant. Wouldn’t happen in the UK!
Actually loud phone conversations can be fun if you interrupt loudly with inappropriate details…. they usually then give up…

[IanFromHKG]

I had the bare feet on bulkhead only this week on a flight between Thailand and Hong Kong. It actually upsets me less than it seems to upset most people, but I did raise an eyebrow.

Feet on my armrest is another matter. As I have mentioned a couple of times before, I am invariably so startled by this that I accidentally spill my glass of iced water – I am fortunate that it has only landed on the feet in question and not on me or my seat 🙂

As to speakerphones, or people watching programmes on speaker, that annoys me intensely. I have found that a rather pointed “Would you like to borrow my earphones?” usually does the trick!

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K1ngston

[K1ngston]

You’ve trained your water well Ian!!

[IanFromHKG]

Indeed! Quite extraordinary that I have been so lucky 😉

[cwoodward]

Recently I was sitting in my favorite spot in the window of the bar area of the Cathay Pier first class lounge having a glass and quietly enjoying the previous days London Times when in strutted a very large expensively suited American chap. He commenced to literally stomp around the bar area actually shouting a business related conversation into a phone with the speaker turned to full volume thereby causing distress and discomfort to all.
I was so incensed that without thinking twice cornered the chap, taped him on the shoulder and told him that if he didn’t immediately turn off the speaker and conduct his conversation at a reasonable level I would throw the dam thing across the lounge.
An adjacent table of Australian business fellows overhearing what I said rather loudly clapped in support.
At this the miscreant shouted a two word obscenity and much to the relief of all proceeded to stomp out of the bar area still bellowing into the phone,doubtless to annoy others in other areas of the large lounge.
Upon reflection my action was not at all wise or to be recommended given that I am not large and not as young as I once was. Mrs CW was very cross with me!

The arrogant disregard, of some who should know better, to the comfort and peace of fellow travellers astounds me and as others here have mentioned seems to be on the increase.

I put it down largely to the Trump influence! (joking of course)

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MartynSinclair, K1ngston

[Ahmad]

Saw this picture on Twitter today.

Has any forum contributor seen this on a plane? I am certain the cleaners do not wipe screens at turnarounds so I will think twice about touching screens from now on.

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