Border Force shambles – part 33
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at 06:13 by stevescoots.
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SimonS1ParticipantChaos as automated gates fail and there is no proper back up.
Normally these meltdowns only happen on a Bank Holiday weekend….oh, hang on….
27 May 2023
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Nick PikeParticipantI must confess I’m not sure what “proper back up” might be. My understanding is that 80% of arriving passengers use the e Gates. So, if they fail, it’s pretty clear that the on duty staff (presumably allocated on the basis they will process only 20% of arrivals) won’t be able to cope. So unless you have a vast number of staff paid on standby just in case there is a failure- or you decide to let people in without checks- chaos is bound to ensue.
This, of course, isn’t confined to Border Force. Any airport system- indeed any system generally- which relies on technology to replace staff won’t operate properly if suddenly there is no technology. There won’t be any staff either.
The answer of course is to operate a system which doesn’t fail. Now if I knew how to do that…..
28 May 2023
at 13:54
stevescootsParticipant[postquote quote=1364595]
Agreed, i was stuck at the HK/SZ border car crossing point about 6 weeks ago for about 1.5 hours. The usually reliable HK system had gone down, worked fine for HKID holders but passport holders were stuck. eventually moving they were taking photos of passports and had to fill out the entry form (have not done that in years!), My guess to manually put the details in the system when it came back up
29 May 2023
at 01:04
MartynSinclairParticipantStepped of the aircraft (LHR T4) Sunday night 19.23, and standing on the Lizzy line platform at 19.40. Gremlins had moved from Border Force to Lizzy line where there were delays, but still got to Tottenham Court Road station by 20.15.
Today it is the Jubilee Line to Wembley, come you Owls…!
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29 May 2023
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SimonS1Participant[quote quote=1364595]I must confess I’m not sure what “proper back up” might be.[/quote]
Having all the manual desks open? Particularly now significant numbers of military are trained as a result of the strikes.
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29 May 2023
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Nick PikeParticipant[postquote quote=1364864]
I think the problem is that you can’t just open the manual desks at the drop of a hat. Whilst the military were trained on the system for the recent BF strike, they had weeks of notice before they were deployed and were brought in from outside.They don’t just hang around at airports on the offchance- hence my comment that unless you have dozens of staff on standby, at a huge cost, there will be chaos
29 May 2023
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MartynSinclairParticipant[quote quote=1364937]MartynSinclair wrote:
Today it is the Jubilee Line to Wembley, come you Owls…Happy bunny then?
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YES YES YES 🙂
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29 May 2023
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Chris in MakatiParticipantSo far, I haven’t seen any explanation as to what actually caused the e-gates to fail.
At the time, the Home Office answer to questions was it’s “too sensitive to say”. So was it some kind of cyber hack, and if so by whom? Russia?, China?, North Korea?, or just a domestic hacker? Or was it just a fault in the system and they’re too embarrassed to admit it?
1 Jun 2023
at 10:26
cybertravllerParticipantI find the UK e-gates very frustrating. It cannot read the chip in my passport, and the explanations I receive are varied from dodgy chip to a similar name to a wanted person. However, when I travelled through Amsterdam, the e-gates read the passport perfectly. I suspect the UK technology is just c**p
3 Aug 2023
at 15:03
Chris in MakatiParticipantThe first time I tried to use the e-gates at Gatwick with a brand new passport issued last November the machine couldn’t read the chip. I tried two or three different gates and none could read it. So I was directed to the manned desk where the officer tried and his device couldn’t read it either. He told me that the new passports weren’t of very good quality and he wasn’t surprised.
I wasn’t at all happy about that because I was faced with the prospect of having to queue at staffed immigration desks after every trip I take for the next ten years. I was ready to complain to the Passport Office as I’d just paid ÂŁ85 for a defective passport.
The next time I traveled the e-gates read it perfectly and have done so for each subsequent trip I took in the six months since then. I’ve no idea why things refused to work on that first day. I wonder if something in the system needs to be triggered to activate a new passport on first usage.
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