Eurotunnel – Migrant numbers massive increase

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    Charles-P
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    On Friday morning I arrived at the Calais terminal for the train to London and was shocked to see the massive number of migrants attempting to enter lorries as they were waiting for security clearance. The lanes for cars was partially blocked at one point and immediately we were ‘mobbed’ by around ten young men all attempting to open the car doors and banging on windows. The French police were there but made no effort whatsoever to stop them. Lorry drivers were forced to defend their own lorries by way of baseball bats and much shouting while again the police did nothing.
    The situation is clearly now critical at Calais and I assume the response from the police is a political decision to let the problem leave France.

    Trade press article here

    http://www.lloydsloadinglist.com/freight-directory/news/Forwarders-avoid-Calais-crossing-as-migrant-threat-grows/62929.htm#.VWRoqZN1Dn8


    SimonS1
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    I’m sure you are right Charles, the lack of response by the Police there is just an attempt to move the problem on.

    The response of the coalition government was always to jack up fines on lorry drivers. Hopefully now the Conservatives have a majority we will see some action.

    The best place to help people is in their own country – I thought that is why the DIFID budget had been protected from the cuts the rest of the gov’t spend have seen.


    Charles-P
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    I read in the past about the fines for lorry drivers and wondered then if it was the right response. Having seen what I saw on Friday I am convinced it is not. Lorry drivers are quite literally fighting migrants off while the police stand by and do nothing.

    I in no way have a solution to the problem of illegal migration aside from a knowledge that was I a young man in Libya, Ethiopia or Yemen I too would probably be trying my luck. Clearly the French approach is to try and transfer the problem to the UK and I understand the mayor of Calais is on record as saying she views the problem as a British one and not a French one.


    MrDarwin
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    I was going the other way on the Eurotunnel on Friday night and we stayed overnight at the hotels just by the Eurotunnel terminal in Calais. We shared the hotel with literally hundreds of heavily armed French National Police types. In the morning there were hundreds of officers being armed with some serious weaponry from the back of two large trucks in the hotel car park (which was an odd sight in itself). Not sure where exactly they were off to but it seems that the local police forces aren’t able to cope with the demand and recruits have to be drafted in from elsewhere.

    I always have mixed emotions going through the Eurotunnel – one of surprise at how easy and well organised it all is, and one of sadness and privilege at how easy it is for me to do something that someone else is willing to risk their life doing. I can’t imagine what they’re escaping from to go to such lengths.

    Edited to add: when going back through Calais to the UK on Monday I didn’t see any illegal immigrants hanging around Eurotunnel, so perhaps whatever action was taken gave a brief respite for travellers – but I doubt it had any impact on a long term solution.


    Charles-P
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    ‘Mr Darwin’ – I share your recognition at the level of privilege we who can move easily between countries have. I was recently in Libya and was asked by three separate individuals if I could help them leave the country and get to Europe. In two cases these were well dressed businessmen who I assumed (wrongly) would have the resources to jump on a plane and travel to Europe at the drop of a hat.

    I was in Geneva last week at the European Business Aviation Show (lots of business jets and associated stuff) and to hear people discussing major first world problems like champagne storage options on a Gulfstream and the difficulties of finding good leather for seats was an extreme contrast to watching a young man fighting to climb into the back of lorry probably knowing that should he succeed he will have a life of casual labour in a country where he faces deportation every day of his life.


    MrMichael
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    Similar is happening on the Cuetta/Moroccan border. Migrants from all over Africa trying to enter Spain, and then we have the boat people of Libya trying to make land in Italy. The UK being where it is we are lucky that we have France as a barrier and that we do have restrictive entry requirements from France. I do feel desperately sorry for these migrants, but the answer is not an open door.


    Charles-P
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    MrMichael – I fully agree an open door policy in Europe is simply not possible regardless of the sympathy we have for the people concerned. I see this as a matter of education, I was speaking recently to a British diplomat based in Lagos Nigeria who talked about a advert campaign the British government has been running to tell Nigerians the truth about seeking asylum in the UK. They were hoping to dispel many myths that exist such. A free house, a government job after three months, free clothes, a free mobile phone. Many poor less educated Nigerians think all this awaits them in the UK if they can just make it to Dover !


    LuganoPirate
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    I was recently in some meetings in Italy on this subject in which we spoke to many of the illegals immigrants. Many of them want to come to England, surprisingly, not because of benefits or free housing, but primarily they want to first have a better chance in a free economy – so they are economic migrants.

    Second, the majority speak English, maybe as a second language but they don’t speak a word of French (some of them do), German or Italian.

    They don’t even need housing, they have friends or family that will put them up, they just want a chance to earn a good living. Many have money so are not necessarily destitute.

    When I asked why they didn’t just take a plane, the answer was that without a visa the airline will not carry them (obvious really). They don’t all come in dinghy’s. Some Lebanese have large luxurious motor boats and bring them close to shore before melting away in the night.

    The Italians for their part will finger print some, and let the majority go so they can claim asylum elsewhere. Once fingerprinted, if they turn up in the UK, the UK can legally send them straight back to Italy. Likewise the French.

    Those who have money the Italians are happy to let stay, but they don’t want to, and with the economy the way it is can you blame them. Those who have nothing are the ones who want to claim asylum but for the greater part the Italians (or anyone else) don’t want them!

    It was very interesting and illuminating.


    SimonS1
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    It was announced today by the European Commission that 40,000 asylum seekers are to be relocated from Italy and Greece to other European countries, although the wrangling is just starting about who and where.

    The UK is outside these arrangements so none will be coming here it appears.

    I understand that many have good intentions, and want to work, however at what cost? Surely before treading that path the government needs to address the issue of people in the UK who have been unemployed for years.

    A complex issue as you imply, LP.

    It seems riot police have been deployed over the last couple of days in Calais.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11179302/French-riot-police-in-battle-with-Calais-migrants-in-pictures.html


    LuganoPirate
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    It’s very complex Simon and there are many tragic cases. Many are fleeing war torn countries and even if they have nothing they have a desire to survive and care for their families. Under those circumstances I think I’d do the same.

    In a strange way, many of the more monied or educated, and they will end up in Britain, with the government shortly allowing in about a thousand from Syria and Iraq, will likely end up creating jobs and will be net contributors to society.

    In a way history is repeating itself after the massive refugees crisis following the 1939-45 war when there were over tweve million refugees in Europe with many going to the US.

    It’s going to be very interesting.


    Charles-P
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    ‘LuganoPirate’ – as ever some good points there, well made.

    Once one gets past the Daily Mail style headlines and looks into the subject a little more objectively there are some interesting facts. Here for example in Belgium there was an analysis carried out of the refugees taken in from the former Yugoslavia. What had happened to them, what jobs did they do, what benefit / cost to Belgian society were they.
    The result was overwhelmingly positive. For example 92% had claimed state benefits for no more than six months while they got established. 100% had effectively repaid all benefits received through their subsequent taxation paid and were net contributors to the Belgian economy. 23% had started their own business and were now job creators (restaurants being the most popular). 91% had taken up the language courses available to them and spoke either French or Dutch (depending on their location).

    I am old enough to remember the Asian refugees taken in by Britain after they were expelled by Idi Amin, people that arrived in some cases with nothing but their clothes on their backs, some of those have gone on to be millionaires !


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Indeed Charles there are some good examples of wealth creation around.

    Equally here are plenty of examples of families being in the UK for years and still not speaking English. In 2013 it was reported by the government that over £100m of taxpayers money was being spent translating documents into foreign languages.

    Not to mention the pressure on schools, health service etc as a result of the growing population.

    As with most things there are pros and cons, however a proper policy on immigration would surely be better than the shambles we see at Calais each day.


    LuganoPirate
    Participant

    In the Swiss Canton of Ticino they have a policy of Italian being the official language. Any application for aid, benefits etc has to be in Italian, not even French or German the other official languages of Switzerland. Further schools teach in Italian and despite one or two classes having a majority of Serbs, no quarter is given. For those who don’t speak the language free lessons are available. It works and people quickly learn the language of the new Canton in which they wish to settle.


    LuganoPirate
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    PS. I’m being a bit hypocritical here as I never learnt the language, but then I never made any claims either!

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