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    canucklad
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    I’m assuming they have taken the easy option again.

    Lket it snow. Let it snow and all you lot cabt go home!

    Climbed imto my nice warm bed. Turned on the radio and have listened to attack after attack after attack on BA!

    Thank god I no longer do my commute on a Friday.

    Although somehow BMI always got me home and. In worse weather than today. BA really are soft southern ……wet blankets


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Poor old BA. They always seem to lack a decent spokesman at such times – where is VK when needed.

    Flew back in to LGW yesterday lunchtime on Emirates. Barely a cancellation and out of the airport with bags within 30 mins.


    VoyageVoyage
    Participant

    Maybe because of this?? 😉

    http://www.newcastleairport.com/arrivals-departures

    Safe travels!


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    Sky news explaining that problems at LHR are due to the airport being at 99% capacity and no ability to accomadate changes / delays….. especially where delayed passengers and parked aircraft, that shouldnt be parked, causing a blockage in the system…..


    Binman62
    Participant

    This is not BA bashing, this is legitimate and thoroughly deserved criticism of an organisation who cannot handle disruption.

    I was not there last night, but 2 years ago experienced the handling which others have described experiencing lat night at T5. Being kept on an aircraft for 5 or 6 hours without food or drink, being provided with no information by ground staff, flight or cabin crew using BA.com and other sources for flight details and being advised of cancellation by friends and family in a different country.

    Being blackmailed by BA by being told no bags, no assistance if you get off.

    Once flight cancelled no staff, no assistance.

    So, this is typical handling not exceptional and the criticism is justified.

    Now, you can argue that people should not go to airports and I would agree to a point. For transfer passengers you have little choice. In my experience if your flight is operating you also do not have a choice as they will not offer refunds or changes. Even when you do decide to call it a day, and I did with two kids in tow, we were told that we were on our own, no help, no bags and they would enforce full tickets rules and regulations.

    This is about BA protecting its bottom line and doing so with staff and management who have little operational savvy and absolutely no planning for major weather events. Why for example was the short haul programme not cancelled on Thursday?

    This was a well forecasted event. It would then have stopped all transfers passengers getting to London and would have allowed all point to point short haul to make alternative arrangements. Given the load factors at this time of year they could then have begun again with a clean sheet today, instead of the days of mayhem ahead due to crew and displaced aircraft issues. It would also have allowed the long haul programme to operate normally.

    So I have little sympathy for BA on this as this is yet another self inflicted wound. If you have never experienced BAs handling of mass disruption then you are very very lucky.


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    Is it BA or BAA that cant handle disruption?

    The Sky News report highlights T5, any news on the other terminals and other airports or is it just T5 looking like a third world country????


    Binman62
    Participant

    BA…… This is not the fault of LHR for once. The weather was forecaste, it is known the airport cannot cope with full operation and so airlines must take action to protect its operations and its passengers..


    SimonS1
    Participant

    What I don’t understand is why it only ever seems to be BA flights that get canned? A quick scan down the departures today and every cancellation seems to involve BA.

    Not a single cancellation at Gatwick it seems.


    Binman62
    Participant

    Simons1…….

    This is die to the size of BA operation. Whenever the flow rate ie the rate at which aircraft can be landed, is reduced then the BA operation will be disproportionately affected. This is because their short haul link to the next flight often with just 35 minutes between flights. So any landing delays will impact on them very quickly.

    This is is known and so should form part of the planning especially in disruption.

    A rule of thumb would be not to fly on a home carrier as you are much less likely to be impacted by disruption if using a non home airline.

    You can tell there is no management of control at BA as whilst there is bad press about their handling they are still advertising “tp fly to serve” on radio followed immediately by a news report of the chaos at LHR.


    Tom Otley
    Keymaster

    I just listened to that BBC piece as well – it did sound an absolute nightmare for the passenger they interviewed, but it was hardly a balanced piece of journalism.

    I landed at Sat B T5 this morning at 0450 from Hong Kong. We were straight onto the transit train, though the escalators weren’t working to take us up to the level where immigration is, so there was a bit of a scrum for the lifts.

    Immigration – no problem, bags on time, out to a waiting taxi – all motorways running properly. But then, that story isn’t a story…!

    About an hour before we landed (so while still flying into T5) the Cabin Services Director had been walking around the aircraft notifying transitting passengers of the flights they had been rebooked on – since obviously quite a few were cancelled. It was handled well on the aircraft, at least.)


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Yes of course I understand all that Binman but not a single cancellation amongst the dozens of airlines that use LHR, or at Gatwick.

    The clear message I take from that is to give BA a wide berth. Not that I use them anyway unless there is no other choice.


    SSTBeliever
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    Gatwick did not have it all its own way although I was very impressed by the way the snow clearing operation seemed to be run watching from the departure lounge!

    I was scheduled to fly to Jersey and as each flight was cancelled (problems at the Jersey end not the LGW end – they really aren’t used to snow there) we were dealt with in the lounge and put on the next flight scheduled until I ran out of time to make my connection and a most helpful ticket agent who was staying on after her shift suggested I go directly home to Guernsey (which is where I needed to be after a meeting in Jersey) and changed me onto the codeshare Flybe flight.
    So far so good but this is where the BA staff clearly hadn’t a clue. Now I accept that getting out of airside for what is essentially a domestic flight from an international terminal and into another terminal might be a bit out of the ordinary but I would have expected staff to be taught how to do this as I cannot believe I am the only person to have been caught out like this. Three different members of BA ground (one from the help desk in the main concourse, one from the Flight Transfer Desk and one random member of staff walking around to help passengers) staff sent me on wild goose chases as the time was ticking away-I ended up waiting for a transfer bus in a freezing waiting area only to be told that by the bus operator that they couldn’t transfer my category of passenger as I had to clear immigration in the North Terminal (bear in mind I was a Channel Island and essentially a domestic passenger without a passport – this was unwelcome news and I could not get out of the security area as the doors were locked to go from whence I came!! I was beginning to get worried by now as it was extremely cold and the signs indicated that the area would not be manned again until the next morning!

    Fortunately a BA Special Services Agent happened to walk by and came to my rescue complaining that the staff training was not what it used to be and could I write to BA to point this out to them (which I will). He walked me to immigration, explained my dilemma and off I went at a brisk pace to the South Terminal and the mercies of Flybe.

    Suffice to say I was impressed by their whole attitude – the check in staff were very helpful and had me on my way with my BA sized cabin luggage without a murmur and, although the flight was slightly delayed due to conditions at Guernsey airport, the rest of the journey was uneventful and I arrived at my destination after travelling for 13 hours and not making my Jersey meeting but at least its warmer her today.

    Come on BA – a world class airline should have properly trained staff who know the airport processes and at least try and pretend that they have some interest in providing service in a service industry! Well done and thank you to the Special Services Agent who had obviously been employed in the days when the airline was an iconic organisation.


    Binman62
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    Your experience is exactly what I would expect on that flight at that time, even following disruption. Any point to point passenger in bound on long haul would wonder what the fuss was about. You would not see the hundreds sleeping on floors or the mishandled bags which would be or should be out of sight…….

    As for those in transit again there should not be a problem unless their flight is cancelled and if it is then it will be days before they and their bags are reunited.

    I think the BBC and commercial radio reporting I have heard this am is probably not critical enough. Lets not forget the queues outside t4 year after year after year, the need for tents, the annual snow and fog disruptions etc.

    BAA were rightly pilloried for closing LHR for 3 days but at least they invested in equip,ent and manpower. It is not going to keep LHR running at full tilt but it can operate. BA have seemingly done nothing, they still use staff from other ground operations to man and de ice aircraft, there are clearly not enought de icing units and clearly not enought staff……no surprise given the M4 chaos for much of yesterday……..the point is it was all forecast yet BA insisted on running a large part of their short haul operation and the consequences for thousands yesterday and over the next few days will be awful.

    And he worst thing is that no compensation is payable as BA will claim extraordinary circumstances and weather when all along it was incompetence and mis management.


    BigDog.
    Participant

    It is times such as this when companies can dip into the font of staff goodwill that most build up over time by treating their people with respect, motivating, inspiring and building an enthused team dynamic.

    Unfortunately those companies which over pay execs in hard times, threaten and bully staff, and ignore agreements when it suits them, find the font of goodwill nearly empty.

    One reaps what one sows.

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