Where can I find historical ATC data for Heathrow?
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at 09:43 by canucklad.
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IanFromHKGParticipantBA are rejecting my claim for a delayed flight on 27 March ex-LHR on the basis of adverse weather conditions, stating that “Due to weather conditions Air Traffic Control had to restrict aircraft operations for safety reasons”. How can I verify whether that statement is true?
I have checked thebasource.com which does state that some aircraft suffered lightning strikes – but not the flight or airframe in question. And although I can see that BA’s statement regarding ATC restrictions may well be true, I would just like to confirm it – sadly, I wouldn’t put it past them to use it as a convenient excuse.
10 Jun 2014
at 08:59
MartynSinclairParticipantIan, just a thought, if you were to issue a claim through the small claims court, would BA then have to prove the delay was caused by ATC restriction in order not to pay?
10 Jun 2014
at 09:30
BigDog.ParticipantGood luck Ian, keep up the demand for compensation as imo they will put up a variety of barriers which you need to continually knock down – attrition.
BA refused payment to BA762 Oslo pax until they were forced to do so after a year denying responsibility – even though it was their employees whose negligence caused the problem.
The link below contains forms and a link to a solicitor who appear to specialise in flight compensation arena.
http://www.bottonline.co.uk/flight-delay-compensation
http://www.bottonline.co.uk/latest-news/419-compensation-rights-for-passengers-of-ba762
10 Jun 2014
at 09:31
IanFromHKGParticipantThank, both
Martyn, the problem with Small Claims is that legal costs aren’t recoverable, and since I am not based in the UK and can’t therefore do it myself, I would probably end up out of pocket!!
BigDog, thank you for that. I hope that someone here can find out whether there were in fact ATC restrictions, since I would very much prefer to deal with this by correspondence rather than legal action. And this is a lawyer speaking!!
10 Jun 2014
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XulumanParticipantYou can watch flight paths of traffic in the London TMA, as well as listening to radio calls between pilots/atc. You could use this to prove the cause of the delay.
Though any compensation would be small, is it worth your time and worries? Vote with your feet.
10 Jun 2014
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canuckladParticipantYes good luck Ian, remember you’re talking about a company that has mastered the art of mass cancelling a full operation without compensating the poor souls who needing to get home, are left stranded. All because a snowflake is spotted in the clouds above Heathrow!
10 Jun 2014
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IanFromHKGParticipantXuluman, thank you for that information. I think the amount involved is EUR1,200, so yes, I think it is worth putting in a little time and effort! Do you have a link for the London TMA? I tried googling without success
10 Jun 2014
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canuckladParticipantNot got time to look for specifics for you Ian, but you may get something that might help from the link below.
10 Jun 2014
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TimFitzgeraldTCParticipantHi IFH
Maybe try the below website – but might have to register to get info on flights for up to 4 months back. Not sure if this is the date you need?
10 Jun 2014
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pheighdoughParticipantHave you considered writing to NATS? They are the UK ATC service provider and they should know if any ATC restrictions were in place for Heathrow arrivals, or indeed any sector capacity issues caused by the adverse weather.
10 Jun 2014
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IanFromHKGParticipantThanks all
Canucklad, the Met only gives monthly figures not daily information, but http://www.worldweatheronline.com gives daily historical weather data, but it only seems to cover conditions at the ground whereas I think the lightning strikes affected planes in the air
Tim, thanks, I actually used flightstats.com. You need to register to get historical data on that site but it is free, and that is where I had already confirmed that the plane arrived more than three hours late
pheighdough, thanks for the suggestion. I will try that and let you know how I get on!
11 Jun 2014
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first_class_pleaseParticipanthttp://www.nats.aero ?? They have quite a bit of info and a contact us page.
You could also look at Heathrow departures for say today, find other flight numbers around the time of your affected flight and then research the history of those, see if all affected or some went on time?
Of course it still would not disprove the “restrict some aircraft movements” statement.
11 Jun 2014
at 05:55
LuganoPirateParticipantMorning Ian, this may help.
http://data.gov.uk/dataset/historic-monthly-meteorological-station-database
11 Jun 2014
at 06:46
LuganoPirateParticipantJust found this, so the data exists. They may be willing to sell a one off as a one month sub probably costs more than the compensation you’ll receive!
11 Jun 2014
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