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If I was offered BA CW (as Martyn says, take a window seat upstairs) both ways at the same price as CX J with a layover of any length in HK, I would definitely opt for the former. (I’d try to do this as the downside of WTP is greater than an uplift to F, in my mind).
Good points, Alan, it does depend on one’s valuation of time (and also the hassle of connecting).22 Jan 2018
I’ve never had the privilege to fly BA in “F”, but from comments made on here from those who have I get the impression that it should be re-designated as “PJ” similar to the relationship between “Y” and “PE”
To be fair to BA F, the seat is comfortable and much better than CW, but I think that BA no longer really have the know how or facilities to consistently provide a proper F class experience.
I agree with Martyn Sinclair about the Concorde Room, it’s not that it’s a bad lounge, just not what one associates with a proper F lounge.22 Jan 2018
FDOS_UK and the marginal extra cost of a nicer meal and a few glasses of champagne (maybe) is what, 50 quid, quite a money spinner for them (given the seat would fly empty otherwise), but worth it for the extra comfort!
Exactly – but that’s why I tend to use BA WTP to/from the UAE these days, the comfort level is suitable for that length of flight and the cost is less than Y and an AUP with EK.
If EK added premium economy, I’d look very seriously at it, but their Y (whilst good) is not really what I want on business and their J isn’t worth the cost.in reply to: Blagging an upgrade22 Jan 2018
Depends if all airlines replace their A380s at 10 years and many will retain them longer, how long are BA 767 and 747s in service? More likely with slot restrictions virtually everywhere (maybe except China and Dubai) that airlines will keep A380s in service until their value is zero and they will ultimately be recycled like aluminium cans!
I think you are missing the point, slightly, we are talking about a certain set of early A380s that were payload limited – the retirements HAVE started and the service life of Boeings at BA is not relevant to these early Airbusses.
Also, we don’t know what price was paid by SQ nor whether they received any compensation if the aircraft failed to deliver the promised performance.
Other, later model, A380s may well become sought after used purchases by some airlines in due course.22 Jan 2018
FDOS – I recall reading recently that as there is no market for second hand A380’s their scrap value (including parts) is in the region of $80m I think.
That’s interesting. According to CNBC the average list price of an A380 is $445.6 million.
Presumably, few airlines pay list, but if you depreciate this cost using the straight line method (Assuming a useful life of 20 years) and then allow for the sale of the parts that would represent a loss of about $142m at 10 years old – ouch.
If using accelerated depreciation methods (where allowed and if making a large enough profit) and sold the parts for $80m, you might be able to bring that down close to $70-80m in ten years, e.g. with double declining balance – still ouch.
These fag packet estimates are probably miles out, though, but it does remind me why I don’t invest in aviation companies!21 Jan 2018
As an addendum to my post above I fail to see how any of the posts “reported for inappropriate content” get anywhere close to that threshold. Did someone have a bad day?
I reported two comments
Here is a link to a Daily Mail article, puzzling that it was discovered so late by the crew that the pilot was drunk, it should have been noticed during pre-flight briefing … ???
I felt this one was inappropriate as it asserted that the pilot was drunk (this is by far from certain, we do not even know if he was over the aviation limit).
FDOS, do you have a personal interest here? Else, your comments make no sense.
I reported this one as being appropriate, as it is a personal attack on my integrity, which I do not feel was warranted by my unbiased and fact based post that drew this poster’s wrath.21 Jan 2018
Before we hang this BA pilot out to dry I recall a similar incident of a Virgin pilot similarly dragged from the cockpit in cuffs, I doubt he was dragged but the media love to embellish a story. It subsequently turned out to be a reaction to some medication he was taking and he was not drunk. The pilot later received a personal apology from Sir RB and the pilots career continued unblemished. Mistakes happen so let´s wait and see.
Thank you CathayLoyalist2, a very well made point.21 Jan 2018
I have no other interest that that of someone who wishes to be fair minded and avoid a mob mentality, such as that demonstrated in both of your posts.
The legal process is in motion, wildly speculating and dramatic interventions are not required.21 Jan 2018
retirement after only 10 years service??
The engines are probably worth more than the airframe and thus these older and less efficient A380’s may be worth more parted out (not that I calim any expertiese in this area) of knowledge), but it has happened with some 777 at relatively early stages of the lifecycle.21 Jan 2018
When both doors to the lavatories are open, the flight attendants are sealed off in the galley, blocking them from getting to the passengers, the flight attendants complained.
The carrier is still looking for a fix to the door problem.
Obvious answer – remove one lav and install 3 more seats 🙂21 Jan 2018
Firstly, can we remember that this gentleman is innocent, until proven guilty of the allegation.
Secondly, comments such as
how did he even get to the plane in this condition ? Are no checks carried out when crew report for duty ?
the pilot was drunk, it should have been noticed during pre-flight briefing
display a very high level of ignorance – the blood alcohol limit for flight crew is 20mg/100ml, that is 1/4 of the driving limit, which is 80mg/100ml in England – to put that in perspective it could be the equivalent of drinking one quarter of a small glass of wine one hour before (there is no solid way to calculate this).
The point is that with a legal limit of 20mg you don’t need to be anywhere near mildly drunk to be well over it.
The police breathlysers are nowhere near accurate enough to get such a fine reading, further tests at the police station will be required to establish if an offence was committed (and it if was, the law should take its course).
The facts will come out in due course – I hope that the gentleman in question or the airline does not decide to sue you for libel – using a handle on here gives you zero protection and BT could also be jointly liable.21 Jan 2018
Fully agree with the comment. Unlike EK where each and every flight from London is an A380, with QR it is a crapshoot. The last time I flew QR in December the 777 used seemed to be from another era – really horrible. Until QR can offer a consistent product, it will have to be another airline.
You didn’t fly a QR codeshare on BA, did you? 😉in reply to: Qatar Airways Q Suite17 Jan 2018