Where do you think BA SHOULD start flying to?
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sparkyflierParticipantIn recent threads there has been discussion of BA network changes/new routes, primarily focusing on leisure routes from LGW. In one past someone mentioned that BA may be looking to base some 767s a LGW to further develop their long haul network, as LHR is very slot constrained, and with only 2 runways this is not going to change.
If this is true then in my opinion this presents a massive opportunity to really expand their network and play catch up where other airlines/alliances are well ahead.
So where so you regular flyers think BA should be going to, for either holidays, because there is business to be had, or you are fed up with changing at CDG/FRA/BRU/AMS/ZRH/LIS and indeed MAD etc?
If 767s are going to Gatwick, their Caribbean network could be drastically restructured, however, here are some of my thoughts to get the ball rolling as to where business could be lucrative with growth prospects:-
Caribbean/USA
Fort Lauderdale 3 x weekly 767
Detroit 757 using AA aircraft or BA 767
Havana 2/3x 777Central/South America
Belize ?
Panama City /Bogota
Lima
Brasilia/Belo Horizonte/ SalvadorAppreciate some of these may be more “Iberia routes” but feedback suggests that flyers would like another choice..
Africa
Freetown & Monrovia 3 x weekly 767, maybe as a triangle – KL/AF/LH/SN have all been expanding here recently
Port Harcourt/Malabo/Librevllle to capture oil marketKigali & Mombasa – 2/3 weekly 767 to catch tourism and business/gov traffic
Middle East/Gulf
Nonstop Muscat – BA currently have a stop en route and compete with a formidable Oman Air product and good timings.
South Asia/Far East
Colombo 3 x weekly 777
Phuket/Vietnam 4/5 x weekly, with the plane flying into Phuket, then flying on to Ho Ci Minh or Hanoi on different days as a shuttle, with crew resting in Phuket. This routing could capture both leisure and business traffic.
Kuala Lumpur/Jakarta/Denpasar-Bali
Another Chinese City
SeoulLook forward to your thoughts/ideas. BA managers might be reading..
15 Feb 2011
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DClinPsyParticipantFor the Far East,
Jakarta can be combine with Singapore through BA 11/12. SIN-CGK is a very busy route with around 40 flights daily between 2 cities which are now dominated by Star (SQ and LH), future Skyteam (Garuda). CX is going to fly the route 3X weekly starting around march with an ungodly hours of 00.45 leaving SIN and 05.00 leaving CGK, BA can compliment it.
Jetstar of Qantas do the route about 3 or 4x daily.If JetStar join Oneworld, then BA should continue BA 11/12 to Denpasar instead to avoid fierce competitions. Similar to Jakarta route, it is dominated by SQ and GA, while Qatar, JetStar and KLM fly there daily along with other indonesian and budget carriers.
same goes with KUL, use it as a transit point before CGK/DPS, but all 3 cities can be covered using both SIN and KUL as a transit point, like KLM who fly to DPS via SIN and CGK via KUL from AMS.
15 Feb 2011
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DavidArnoldParticipantHow about flying to Birmingham and Manchester?
I am sick and tired flying from non-London airports to Europe on LCC airlines but appreciate the fact that Lufthansa and KLM are available if going to Holland and Germany.
Why do these National Airlines support these UK bases with 4/5 flights a day or more with our National Carrier nowhere to be seen. I understand that this conversation has been done to a death but as a regular Northern traveller I am still somewhat peeved.
15 Feb 2011
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Stowage222ParticipantSimples – they want the LH transit traffic from the UK. BA do the same by offering very cheap flights ex Europe to connect with its LH schedule in London.
15 Feb 2011
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DavidArnoldParticipantI do not work within the travel industry but travel extensively and have done so from Birmingham from the 80’s and I must say that flying BA was efficient, well supported and so much easier than Heathrow.
When in Europe I do notice that the Domestic, European and some Worldwide routes are served well by the National Carrier from many cities so why not in the U.K.
I personally enjoy T5 and am not putting down Heathrow but I do wonder how much business BA are losing with a lot of traffic going to various European markets instead of flying BA which I am sure a lot of people would prefer to do.
15 Feb 2011
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canuckladParticipantBetween the goverments aviation taxes, demonstrating an absolute “We don’t give a damn about the UK airline industry” or worse assuming as consumers that we are so thick we won’t realise potential savings of upto £300 (route dependant) on choosing to route through CDG/FRA/AMS –remember the dutch reversed the taxes,recognising the damage it was doing to KLM & Schipol –I will never transit through a UK airport long haul ever again
No 3rd runway, on enviromental grounds is probably the final nail
Oh–do i regularly spend 30-45 minutes queing for a 55 minute flight from LHR to EDI-or do I just dream it
And
Call it ,what it is—-London Airways, once you stop investing in your own people in the regions & Scotland you are as well as saying ,were London posh & ideally will chase SE England Hyacinth Bucket money—–Oh if we could only bring back BCAL
15 Feb 2011
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CharlesRhonaParticipantOh for the old days. In the mid 90’s I used to be able to fly from my local airport to both Gatwick LGW and LHR. Also flexibility allowed you to fly domestic to LHR and thereafter from LGW onward and vice versa. In such cases BA provided vouchers for travel between both london airports and there was also a helicopter transfer if you wished to pay for this! Early on one could also travel to either airport from their local airport at no additional cost as the same was offered to travelers from Europe in an attempt to attract their business to BA.
The position now is that it is easier and usually cheaper for me to fly from my local airport to AMS or CDG than it is to fly to LHR only – particularly if one wants a through ticket to the final destination. I can only fly to LHR and have to pay a costly fare to transfer to BA’s flights from LGW if that is where my final destination leaves from – and that is where a lot of the holiday destination flights depart from. Come on BA. Look after your home customers who have supported you in the past and they will look after you.
15 Feb 2011
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TravellatorParticipantBelfast City from LHR – Bmi a shadow of its former self !
Also dont abandon LHR to Malaga !
15 Feb 2011
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FrequentTravellerParticipantA return to the Heathrow to Jersey (JER) route. To avoid the LGW LHR ground transfer hassle and time.
Of course I am not expecting that to ever happen without a third runway at Heathrow. Even with a third runway it’s only a mild possibility.
Unfortunately there are no regular or frequent direct services to CDG/FRA/BRU/AMS/ZRH/LIS which make them a viable alternative.
15 Feb 2011
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MunkyboiParticipantI agree with comments above re the domestic situation. I think that LGW should provide connections to all UK cities that are available from LHR. If flying from NCL or ABZ and wanting to fly Long Haul on BA out of LGW you have a nice National Express or train transfer. I dont understand why these destinations are not served from LGW as well.
Also lack of representation in Ireland is appalling, all very well having code-shares, but no good if the code share isn’t with a OW member!
Moscow with Club World.
Short haul:
LPA/TFS – Canaries (thus avoiding the necessity to go via MAD)
REK – Iceland (wonder why it stopped before).Long haul:
HNL – Honolulu.
SCL – Santiago (direct) – rather than the code share link from (GRU) Sao Paulo.
DTW – Detroit
AKL – Auckland – Amazed this commonwealth country isn’t served directly.15 Feb 2011
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BlackTowerParticipantBali/Jakarta triangle
2-4 cities in China
Hanoi
KL
The oil route to Africa already suggested
Honolulu (certain I believe with 787)
Greater frequency to Denver
Almati with CW15 Feb 2011
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DClinPsyParticipantI agree with BlackTower, i think BA should fly to Jakarta, not only it is a rising city in Asia, It is also the capital of South East Asia’s biggest Economy, Indonesia! Aside of that, Jakarta itself is a historical city for BA, remembering the legendary BA 9 incident! Although, I personally think LHR-CGK direct flight will not be profitable, as I stated, it should be combined with either KUL or SIN.
I also agree about BA’s domestic networks, I was quiet shock to know that they don’t fly to Belfast and Cardiff, since they carry the name “British”, even if its only a daily flight using an Embraer, at least they covered all the 4 capitals which I think more appropriate as a British national airline or perhaps merge with FlyBe, make them available for Executive Club Member just like Iberia and Vueling to create a second base in the UK, again, similar to Iberia of Madrid and Vueling of Barcelona.
Moreover, about Phuket and Ho Chi Minh, another idea will be Ho Chi Minh and Manila? Also worth considering, Seoul and Taipei?
15 Feb 2011
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travelworldParticipantErbil in Northern Iraq- the Kurdish section, where there is no violence but an awful lot of economic activity….
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