Unite/BASSA to Strike 20/3 for 3 Days, 27/3 for 4 Days

Back to Forum

This topic contains 62 replies, has 19 voices, and was last updated by  VintageKrug 30 Apr 2010
at 11:08
.

Viewing 15 posts - 46 through 60 (of 63 total)

  • VintageKrug
    Participant

    British AIrways’ CEO demonstrates a dapper line in Lacoste weekend leisurewear, and puts paid to the rumours about BA aircraft being stored at Shannon which was complete fabrication on the part of Unite:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z329b9yEfGY


    VintageKrug
    Participant

    Clarkson has rather elegantly waded into the fray:

    “No. If the cabin crew win, the airline will go under and everyone will be out of a job. So, if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they still lose. Only, if they win, we all lose, because a nation with no national airline is like a nation with no national anthem. Even Ethiopia has one.

    “I like Virgin. And I flew Singapore Airlines recently, which was out of this world. But there is nothing quite so joyous as leaving the hustle and bustle of a superheated Third World hellhole and being greeted on the big BA jumbo by a homosexual with a cold flannel and a refreshing glass of champagne. Take that away from us and we may as well all be Belgian.”

    FULL TEXT here:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article7069620.ece


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    instead of quoting that ‘iconic British politian’ Jeremy Clarkson’ love of gay Cabin crew, or playing ‘I spy where are the aeroplanes parked” (well they have to be parked somewhere), why doest this woderful publication Business Traveller take a lesson in marketing from Sky News (arranging the 3 leader deabate going into the election) add try to bring the children together and promote dialogue in a far more proactive and mature way between BA and Unite. As Sky news have just reported (7am Monday morning) there has been no breakthrough in the 3rd day of this stupid dispute, something has to occur otherwise BA may just as well put the aeroplanes up for sale.

    Some of you are putting a very good case for BA whilst others are supporting the Unions. Personally, I support a resolution and the basic priciple of a fiding a solution (and I am sure VK will agree) is that YOU HAVE TO TALK TOGETHER.

    So Busiess Traveller, how about it, give your backing to finding a solution. Use your power within the travel indsustry as a leader, a leading news publication, and work towards bringing the children to the table. The longer this strike goes on, the less chance BA has for an economic survival. Without seat and cargo revenue, BA cant pay costs which include salaries, which in turn meants they cant provide a service which ultimately means no product which results in passengers like me, flying other airlies. Its very simple, if BA ad Unite continue to play games and the press contiue to fuel these games, well, there will be a glut of Boeing and Airbus aircraft on the second hand market!


    AdrianHenryAsia
    Participant

    Its feels from reading all of the press reports that this squabble has/has become personal between Tom Woodley/Brendan Barber and WW.

    Perhaps WW should have put in more effort up front instead of the alleged walking out of negotiations, sitting playing with his blackberry (I’ve had that from a firsthand source) and sending junior people in to do his job who were not empowered to negotiate merely dictate his wishes.

    As the MD of a business, no business can continue to operate as a loss – I can appreciate that and difficult decision are never easy to make,

    I also understand that unhappy employees are not going to live BA’s brand and provide the level of service in the air that F & J passengers expect.

    Whilst BA may not have achieved the levels of savings they feel they need to be profitable, a happy workforce will carry a number of intangible benefits such as customer loyalty all of which impact the bottom line.

    There is more to running an business than pure numbers – brand, reputation. loyalty, service and perception can’t be accurately valued and in the current situation all or being damaged in my opinion.

    WW needs to actually come to the table and be prepared to listen not dictate. The cabin crew need to accept change will happen whether they like it or not.

    Someone effective needs to mediate before both WW and the unions drive the business into the ground because they are so entrenched in their own positions.


    continentalclub
    Participant

    I have to say that I’ve not seen anything that even remotely suggests that the dispute is in any way personally-focussed on either Tony Woodley or Willie Walsh. They may be the faces that the two sides present to the media, but there’s no evidence whatsoever that they’re the sole combatants.

    BA Chairman Martin Broughton has gone on record again today to publicly re-affirm that Willie has his and the main board’s unequivocal support. Mr Woodley has only really come to the fore in the media quite recently; until Christmas it was Len McCluskey who was at the sharp end.

    Meanwhile Woodley’s counterpart, joint general secretary Derek Simpson, admitted in a TV interview that the 12-day walkout planned for Christmas 2009 was “probably over the top” – which additionally illustrates just how many people on the union side are involved, or at least commenting and influencing.

    It would be nice to think that some noughty, Google-esque corporate cuddling could resolve the current impasse; the simple fact is that – as anyone with an understanding of highly-unionised companies, particularly former public-sector ones will know – those fluffy concepts are utterly, completely and wholly irrelevant.

    Clarkson was nearly on-the-money with his assertion that “If the cabin crew win, the airline will go under and everyone will be out of a job. So, if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they still lose. Only, if they win, we all lose…”

    What he misses is that, uniquely, the union leaders have absolutely nothing whatsoever to lose; nothing. They can preside over the failure of the company and the redundancy of their entire membership, and yet they will keep their own jobs. And, in the meantime, they can further their own union and/or political ambitions.

    Casual observers can poke fun at the farcical press breifings and website posts that Unite and BASSA continue to issue; looking for all the world as if someone at the union has found a copy of ‘Comical Ali’s Guide to PR & Communications’.

    More serious commentators will understand that there is a fundamental disconnect between the best and collective interests of British Airways’ cabin crew members and the far more selfish and personal goals of their union leadership.

    That’s the real inhibitor to a negotiated resolution and, as it stands, as long as the company maintains its current high-standing amongst its customers, shareholders and vast majority of employees, and the union leadership apparently don’t give a damn as they strap on their own hang-gliders and lead their hapless, wingless members to the cliff-edge, then there is little incentive for anyone to go for a latte and discuss vegetarian cookery.


    GTR_Skyline
    Participant

    Glad to see BA staff who striked will have their travel perks revoked…….


    markymark
    Participant

    A letter to the Guardian:
    It is nice to see that there are people with some brains and are not fooled by BA PR’s machine.

    23 March 2010

    Dear Editor,

    As academics in the field of employment relations our expertise includes the analysis of the causes, process and outcomes of industrial disputes and particularly the dynamics of strike action. Given the near certainty of further strikes (Follow up strike will go ahead says union, March 22nd), it is clear to us that the actions of the Chief Executive of British Airways, notwithstanding his protestations to the contrary, are explicable only by the desire to break the union which represents the cabin crew. What other possible interpretation can there be for Willie Walsh rejecting Unite’s acceptance of BA’s previous offer or indeed of his marshalling of resources, including those of bitter industry rival Ryanair, to undermine the action of his staff? Walsh and now Prime Minister Brown have made the error of underestimating the deep seated and justifiable anger of a loyal and dedicated workforce, whose continued trust and goodwill is a vital ingredient of customer care.

    Overwhelming majorities in two strike ballots in the face of tabloid opprobrium testify to employees’ understanding that a victory for Walsh’s macho management strategy would precipitate a race to the bottom in terms of working conditions and job quality. In the process, this would damage beyond repair the high standards of customer service for which BA cabin crew are renowned. The wider significance of a triumph of unilateral management prerogative would be a widening of the representation gap in UK employment relations, and a further erosion of worker rights and of that most precious of commodities – democracy. For all these reasons, BA’s cabin crew and their union, Unite, deserve our support rather than knee-jerk vilification.

    Professor Philip Taylor, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Sarah Ashwin, London School of Economics

    Professor Chris Baldry, University of Stirling

    Professor Robert Carter, De Montfort University

    Professor Linda Clarke, University of Westminster

    Professor Christine Cooper, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Andrew Danford, University of West of England

    Professor Ralph Darlington, University of Salford

    Professor Tony Elger, University of Warwick

    Professor Patricia Findlay, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Irena Grugulis, University of Bradford

    Professor Geraldine Healy, Queen Mary University of London

    Professor Ed Heery, Cardiff University

    Professor Debra Howcroft, University of Manchester

    Professor Jeff Hyman, University of Aberdeen

    Professor Richard Hyman, London School of Economics

    Professor Steve Jeffreys, London Metropolitan University

    Professor John Kelly, Birkbeck College London

    Professor Miguel Martinez Lucio, University of Manchester

    Professor Sonia McKay, London Metropolitan University

    Professor Doug Miller, University of Northumbria

    Professor Dennis Nickson, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Anna Pollert, University of the West of England

    Professor Valeria Pulignano, Universities of Leuven and Warwick

    Professor Paul Stewart, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Mark Stuart, University of Leeds

    Professor Paul Thompson, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Martin Upchurch, Middlesex University

    Professor Chris Warhurst, University of Strathclyde

    Professor Zander Wedderburn, Heriot-Watt University

    Dr. Maurizio Atzeni, Loughborough University

    Dr. David Beale, University of Manchester

    Cecilie Bingham, University of Westminster

    Paul Brook, Manchester Metropolitan University

    Dr. Peter Butler, De Montfort University

    Dr. Iona Byford, Portsmouth University

    Dr. Ian Clark, University of Birmingham

    Nick Clarke, London Metropolitan University

    Dr. Rachel Cohen, University of Warwick

    Dr. Hazel Conley, Queen Mary University of London

    Dr. Heather Connolly, University of Manchester

    Nick Creaby-Attwood, Northumbria University

    Dr. Alf Crossman, University of Surrey

    Dr. Andrew Cumbers, University of Glasgow

    Dr. Ian Cunningham, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Steve Davies, Cardiff University

    Dr. Tricia Dawson, University of Westminster

    Demet Dimler, School of African and Oriental Studies

    Janine Duvier, London School of Economics

    Dr. Peter Dwyer, Ruskin College Oxford

    Dr. Vaughan Ellis, Edinburgh Napier University

    Dr. Debbie Foster, Cardiff University

    Dr. Steve French, Keele University

    Jo Grady, University of Leicester

    Dr. Ian Greenwood, University of Leeds

    Dr. Anita Hammer, De Montfort University

    Dr. Geraint Harvey, Swansea University

    Dr. Jane Holgate, London Metropolitan University

    Eleanor Kirk, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Lefteis Kretsos, University of Coventry

    Dr Alex Law, University of Abertay

    Dr. Dave Lyddon, Keele University

    Dr. Patricia McCafferty, University of Strathclyde

    Erin van der Maase, Carnegie Trust

    Dr. Matteo Mandarini, Queen Mary University of London

    Jim Main, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Abigail Marks, Heriot-Watt University

    Douglas Martin, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Gerry Mooney, The Open University

    Dr. Sian Moore, London Metropolitan University

    Dave Napier, London Metropolitan University

    Dr. Kirsty Newsome, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Jane Parker, Auckland University of Technology

    Dr. Andrew Perchard, University of Strathclyde

    Dr. Elke Pioch, Manchester Metropolitan University

    Michael Pye, University of Hertfordshire

    Dr. Helen Richardson, University of Salford

    Dr. Michael Richardson, University of the West of England

    Dr. Ian Roper, Middlesex University

    Alan Ryan, De Montfort University

    Dr. Devi Sacchetto, University of Padua

    Dr. Peter Scott, University of Portsmouth

    Dr. Melanie Simms, University of Warwick

    Bob Simpson, London School of Economics

    Bob Smale, University of Brighton

    Dr. Andrew Smith, University of East London

    Dr. Ian Towers, Euro-Business-College, Berlin

    Dr. Alan Tuckman, Nottingham Trent University

    Charles Umney, University of Leeds

    Dr. Matt Vidal, Kings College London

    Dr. Steve Vincent, University of Leeds

    Dr. Roger Welch, Portsmouth University

    Dr. Glynne Williams, University of Leicester

    Dr. Stephen Williams, Portsmouth University

    David Wray, University of Northumbria


    GTR_Skyline
    Participant

    Wow – what a great list of academics…fundamental point for the recovery of the UK markets and industry performance is for Willie Walsh to continue in the current manner he is….we are all working hard in our existing jobs to simply “pay the bills” and support our respective families – 1980’s type tactics by Unions such as UNITE and RMT need to be left in that decade….we are in troubled times and we all need to be living in the 2010s and not 1980s.


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    perhaps the academics would be best served going on a diplomacy course. What else would you expect from Guardian readers. Thank G-d these guys are just commenting and not running industry. Still there is no public words of “we are talking”. For goodness sake, stop the games and find a solution. Here i am at Heathrow in an empty BA lounge – whilst having to fly to the US on an american airline.


    Travellator
    Participant

    Regardless of the money BA is losing, regardless of the thousands of inconvenienced passengers I find it incredible that there appears to be NO negotiating going on.

    Gordon Brown waded into the situation last week but regardless of his budget duites there has been no more comment.

    To every dispute there is an outcome eventually but surely the talking has to start !


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    “its good to talk” – by Bob Hoskins – was it the BT advert in 1978????


    continentalclub
    Participant

    “Academic chairs are many, but wise and noble teachers are few”

    Albert Einstein, 1879-1955.


    GTR_Skyline
    Participant

    “You must be the change you want to see in the world.”
    -Mahatma Gandhi


    AdrianHenryAsia
    Participant

    Travellator – I couldn’t agree more. Any negotiation requires both side to talk AND LISTEN. From what I know, WW seems to be doing lots of talking and no listening at all.

    ContinentalClub – I am far from a casual observer. If you’ve seen nothing in the press to show the stand off between WW and UNITE/BASSA then I think you need to just open up a paper or read the internet or talk to anyone who is remotely involved. Whilst I appreciate that change needs to happen and a business can’t run at a loss, I am disgusted at the way in which BA are choosing to handle this – there are many ways to solve the same problem and as far as I am concerned, BA have doing more harm than good with their current approach.


    FaroFlyer
    Participant

    While, at a quick glance, it might appear that WW is being deliberately awkward in not now putting the offer back on the table, it is not actually so. He did make it very clear, many weeks ago, that if action started and BA incurred costs, then any offer must be reduced to recover any additional costs.

    BA have now spent upwards of £20 million on contingency plans and alternative flights so, if he did now restore the offer, then Unite would be saying how crazy WW is as he could have settled earlier and not spent the money. Unfortunately Unite only decided to accept the offer after it had been withdrawn, with due notice given of the consequences.

    Like it or not, Unite are going to lose face on this as their next “condition” will be that travel perks are restored to the strikers. If BA did give these back it would send a clear message that Unite are in charge. I guess that the travel perks saved are probably significantly more than £10 million each year.

    BA, and WW, are past the point of no return. Unfortunately Unite may also be.

Viewing 15 posts - 46 through 60 (of 63 total)
You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
Business Traveller September 2019 edition
Business Traveller September 2019 edition
Be up-to-date
Magazine Subscription
To see our latest subscription offers for Business Traveller editions worldwide, click on the Subscribe & Save link below
Polls