Sustainability – are we now having to pay for it ?
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AMcWhirterParticipantI have been checking news of “sustainability” moves by the various travel operators and I now wonder whether the moves are genuine or whether it’s a cash-raising exercise.
A couple of days ago we reported on the move by AF and KLM to add a Sustainable Aviation Fuel levy to tickets sold in France and the The Netherlands.
Air France adds Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) levy to all tickets
Then I read of a Marriott (Autograph Collection) hotel in St Louis which had added an extra US$4.99 to guests’ bills.
When I checked the room rates at this Marriott I saw the wording “Sustainability Fee” listed among the other taxes and fees.
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Then yesterday I saw that Thailand wants to introduce a tourist fee of Baht 300 (US$9) from April 1.
It’s not clear how the fee will be collected but it will probably apply to all arrivals.
Thai government spokesman Thanakon Wangboonchana is reported to have told media that it “is part of the government’s sustainable tourism plans.”
I just wonder if we will see these fees become commonplace in the future.
13 Jan 2022
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InquisitiveParticipantIn addition to any so called sustainability fee or carbon tax, it is obvious that more and more taxes will be added to air ticket when travel opens fully.
Additionally airlines will hike the price of basic ticket to cover some cost to recover from lasses in the past 2 years.
Will that stop people from traveling? No way. From my daily talk among friends and relatives, there is so much of pent-up demand for air travel; airplanes will be full.
16 Jan 2022
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Tom OtleyKeymasterI think we will pay for sustainability in everything we buy from now on.
We are certainly seeing that in the cost of heating here in the UK – yes, the price has gone up, but there are also green ‘taxes’.
There’s obviously a debate about whether it’s the right way to go, but so far as air fares are concerned, they’d have to increase in price substantially to reach the levels they were 30+ years ago before deregulation. I just wish the taxes levied on aviation went to sustainable projects or R&D into SAF or hydrogen, but there doesn’t seem much chance of that.16 Jan 2022
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MartynSinclairParticipantWhere hotels are concerned, is this just a way to neutralise a ‘green benefit rate’. This is where some hotels and I am pretty sure Marriott were part of this initiative, cut back on towel and sheet exchanges, in lieu of of discounted room rate? So now you may get a discounted room rate for being green, but an additional tax for sustainability…
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16 Jan 2022
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TimFitzgeraldTCParticipantOn the point of “SAFs”, I think we to call them out for the BS that they are (a PR / marketing dream to assuage those who may have guilt associated with flying). The level of production / land clearance required to have any meaningful impact automatically makes the unsustainable.
It is a term that feels me with horror – yet keep seeing the media reporting on it as though next major breakthrough, with very few questioning voices. We need to hypercritical of this rubbish.
Agree with you though Tom – would be amazing if the taxes raised were actually used to fund / subsidize research and green methods of energy generation
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17 Jan 2022
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AMcWhirterParticipant[quote quote=1197245]Agree with you though Tom – would be amazing if the taxes raised were actually used to fund / subsidize research and green methods of energy generation
[/quote]Indeed Tim. Will the entire SAF levy be used its intended purpose.
CH-Aviation reported on January 12 that AF/KL “need billions to remain top players.”
The original article was from Les Echos [FR].
Air France-KLM needs billions to remain top player – report: This year will be decisive for Air France-KLM, which will need to conduct a new capital increase of between EUR1 billion and EUR2 billion euros (USD1.15-2.3 billion) during 2022 to survive the… https://t.co/oHS5JMB3X2
— ch-aviation (@chaviation) January 12, 2022
17 Jan 2022
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AMcWhirterParticipantPerhaps Etihad is the first to launch ‘sustainable’ frequent flyer schemes for both companies and individual travellers.
Etihad expands its green loyalty programme to corporate customers
20 Jan 2022
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AMcWhirterParticipantLittle wonder Air France is adding a SAF levy to tickets sold in France.
Last October we reported that Etihad operated its B787 “Greenliner” between AbuDhabi and London Heathrow.
This special commercial flight returned from London using 38 per cent sustainable fuel mixed with traditional aviation fuel.
According to what Etihad told Businessinsider.com at the recent Dubai Air Show sustainable fuel is five times more expensive than regular aviation fuel.
In the case of the London-AbuDhabi flight the sustainable fuel had to be brought to London from Amsterdam. Etihad said it could have used a higher ratio of sustainable fuel for this flight but Heathrow lacked the infrastructure to make this possible.
2 Feb 2022
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tlefebvreParticipantWell, if proposals put forth by LLCs and NGOs to include extra-EU flights in the EU ETS scheme, I think it is very possible that we will see an increase in prices directly related to carbon emissions and sustainability.
4 Feb 2022
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LuganoPirateParticipantThese type of taxes, or fees, always create a great amount of anger among consumers.
Surely the more sensible thing is just to increase the room rate or ticket price by a Dollar or so and no-one will likely notice any difference and nor will they get upset?8 Mar 2022
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