[MartynSinclair]

So how come Ryan are able to keep a ‘partial’ lid on this news. If BA did something similar there would be camera crews at LHR & Gatwick and the unions would be keep the management blunder, high profile…

What is happening to affected passengers. I know Ryan are a point to point carrier, but are they at least trying to re route their passengers, even if it means taking 2 flights…?

[Swissdiver]

LoL, capetonianm.

All in all, this shows the dangers of running a business at full capacity 365 days a year. We all know this is the best way to maximise the profits, in theory. But in reality, no organisation can work under these conditions in the long term. Ryanair’s situation, like what happened with Easyjet this summer, tend to demonstrate this.

[transtraxman]

Published today Monday.

“Ryanair under pressure to publish full list of cancelled flights”.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41304456

………..and rightly so.

[openfly]

I bet Molly is loving every minute of this free publicity!

[TimFitzgeraldTC]

I’ve heard a principle reason for the cancellation is that Pilots are leaving in high numbers to Norwegian and Jet 2 where Pay is better as are the working conditions and practices. And they can’t get enough pilots to join and replace them. Norwegian are an all Boeing fleet – don’t know Jet 2 well but think also Boeing so makes leaving Ryanair for either of these carriers straight forward as a pilot (or for those who want to convert to 787 and go longhaul – quite a straight forward switch).

So whether the truth is the holiday issue – the above – or a combination of both – it isn’t good!

[AMcWhirter]

That’s true, Tim. Reports from Ireland say that 140 pilots have defected to Norwegian.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanair-have-really-messed-up-here-full-list-of-cancelled-flights-released-36141910.html

EU Transport Commissioner Violetta Bulc has celled on Ryanair to honour EU261.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/commissioners/2014-2019/bulc/announcements/statement-violeta-bulc-ryanair-flight-cancellations_en

[openfly]

Ryanair press conference this afternoon….never seen Molly so flustered. Admitted that the situation is all his fault…he had me in tears. Wonderful to watch. A Shakespearean performance…Oscars to follow. But he admitted that only 2% of his passengers were being inconvenienced….so not many…only 450,000.

[AMcWhirter]

And, doubtless at the same press conference, Ryanair has said that it has terminated interlining talks with Norwegian.

That’s quite a setback because, as we know, Ryanair operates a diverse route network within Europe and its flights would have fed Norwegian’s long-haul services not just in the UK/Ireland but in Scandinavia and the Nordic countries and others which might follow.

[Edski777]

Is this the start of a huge fight between the LCCs?

As Boeing is pumping out more planes to the European LCCs the market for pilots expands. The race to the bottom is reversing.
It seems that it is about time that Ryanair starts offering more reasonable contracts to their pilots, possibly attract more pilots to counter the planning chaos and accept that running a company in 2017 is no longer only a matter of satisfying the shareholder.

The growth of Ryanair, Norwegian, Wizz and others is interesting to watch if you don’t fly them. It’s a nuisance if you are a passenger. You have become part of the casino game: will I fly or not this week? Place your bets!

[openfly]

It is odd that pilots are moving over to Norwegian from Ryanair in their numbers. I gather that Norwegian pilots, based on the UK, are an unhappy bunch. There is a lot of discontent. The Norwegian staff, including the pilots, are not directly employed by the airline. They are employed by third-party companies. So any complaints regarding their employment are difficult to address directly with Norwegian. Pilots are discouraged from contact with the pilots union BALPA.
So when Molly states that “the Ryanair pilots that have left to go to Norwegian will be back”, maybe he is suggesting that the grass isn’t greener. He may, in this instance, be correct.

[Swissdiver]

Working conditions for pilots vary massively in Europe nowadays, going from poor to ridiculously generous (AF pays up to EUR 20’000 per month its captains). And it can defeat expectations. I was chatting with an old Swiss captain lately. He was telling me Swiss had issues recruiting French speaking pilots as those close to Geneva are choosing to work for Easyjet that pays much better, at least at the beginning of their career. At the end, the same old rule applies: if you want the right people to stay with you, pay them correctly…

[traveldoc1]

For a rather more humerus, tongue-in-cheek take on the saga I can recommend this:

Ryanair Offer Sincere Apology For €5 Per Passenger

[traveldoc1]

Apols for spelling – should be humerous. You can tell I’m a medic!!

[stevescoots]

My guess is just like the BA fiasco, come the end of this year people will forget, it will become old news and they will continue to use Ryanair. Its not a Ratner moment as some of the press seems to think it is

[canucklad]

Thanks so very much for the link traveldoc1 , the comedians at the Waterford Whisperer had tears rolling down my cheeks with the following line…….

” The airline was forced to cancel up to fifty flights a day between now and October, following a holiday allowance backlog that left them with a critical shortage of pilots, cabin staff, and trumpet players.”

The idea of employing somebody in garish yellow and blue pantaloons to stand and blow the early arrival horn has really tickled by funny bone this morning : ) …….Now back to the coal face!!

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