Nonsense “ThinkTank” Says LCY Should Close

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    SergeantMajor
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    dutchyankee
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    SM, fully agree with you! LCY is brilliant, and this report is a load of rubbish! Tree Huggers should not be given a platform to preach!


    nmh1204
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    Airports do damage the environment. However, governments could mandate that aircraft manufacturers and operators are more environmentally friendly, such as noise reduction, greener fuels such as biofuel. It can be done without the need to close airports.

    As for “tree huggers should not be given a platform to preach”, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and freedom of speech. Furthermore, the article doesn’t mention “tree huggers” at all, it is mostly about homes and businesses.

    Also, VK, it is not “lefty guff”. There is nothing wrong with wanting equal opportunities for people and businesses.


    dutchyankee
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    Cars, motorcycles, factories, even cows do more environmental damage than airports, LCY is a great business tool, one which benefits business, which in turn benefits the overall economy. Why wasn`t the `tree hugger` quoted in the article around `preaching` about houses on this disused dockland area prior to the airport being built. The whole area was a run down derelict space, and now that the area is rejuvenated, greatly thanks to the close-in city airpport drawing a new importance to the area, she thinks it should be closed to build more homes.

    Sorry if you are sensitive to tree-hugger, it was meant as a euphemism to avoid calling the lady what I really think.


    nmh1204
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    Yes, and they can be made greener too, though I doubt cows and vehicles are worse than a 60 tonne aircraft, and an airport full of them. If this government got its rear into gear, we could create a far more connected and environmentally friendly country, we are sadly way behind other nations. LCY does need a longer runway though, it is incapable of handling true long-haul routes, so not entirely sure how it is good for business. Good for europe and JFK (albeit via SNN), but not for long-haul business routes.

    I’m not sensitive to it, I just found it rude, that’s all.


    dutchyankee
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    No doubt, airports, cities, homes, hotels, everything could and probably should be made to be greener. But in all seriousness, the amount of methane even one cow produces has a far more harmful affect on the environment than most would ever realise. Coming from a Dutchman, believe me we are all too aware of this!


    canucklad
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    Hi nmh

    I’m very much an advocate for the environment, so much so that I was asked a few years ago to come up with a presentation to promote internally a scheme to save the planet. Won’t go into specifics as I want to keep my company name out of the debate.

    After doing some research I moved from being pro-environment to being passionate about it !

    Ironically I also became a bit of a sceptic of “ tree huggers” due to my research, Research that was independent of lobbying groups.

    For example, from my presentation notes, see below
    Deforestation is responsible for around a fifth of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions – that’s more than all of the world’s cars, planes, trains and ships put together. Tackling this must play an important part in how we fight global warming.

    To make matters worse, when these forests are burnt down – to clear land for commercial farming or mining, for example – they release any stored CO2 back into the atmosphere

    Exasperated by putting cows onto the land !

    Being involved in the project really gave me a deeper understanding of the issues, What I didn’t get was why the “Tree Huggers” chose to vent their blame on the aviation industry, There is no doubt that civil aviation contributes, but it’s much less than perceived by the masses! Who should really look at their own car usage as well as domestic home usage, that causes far more damage than airplanes.


    superchris
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    I think in all of these kind of reports, I can’t help thinking is what they are really getting at is ‘if you had a blank piece of paper and were starting again, would you design what we have today’. That’s always an interesting assessment and without getting all political, one which Mr Farage appears to major on.

    But what it doesn’t factor in is the cost and damage of change . You can never ignore the ‘we are where we are’ factor in all of these debates!

    With regards to City, I genuinely think the constant expansion is absolutely going to start damaging the very thing we like in the first place, the size, efficiency etc. Its a great airport but it simply can’t expand much more for all the reasons in this report.

    LCY should be made to focus on fast efficient services linking major financial centres. We should however be putting adequate resources into growing LHR, HS2 properly linking to the regions (direct to BHX, MAN and LBA), plus planning a major overhaul for 30 years time (a Boris island type re-think).


    MarcusUK
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    I am sure all of us care for the environment, but as for all the reasons put, the Aviation industry has been too easily a target to blame. We need to abolish cattle clearly and change the developing (now developed it seems) countries requiring more of a meat diet. Holland would need to cull cows big time!

    China is building one new airport a month according to some figures, and at least another coal power station every two! Me turning my microwave off, or taking less flights will not affect the global problem.

    These are one version of the plans to extend LCY:

    http://www.lcacc.org/future/cadp1212.pdf

    The runway cannot be expanded, and already it is steep to land and take off, with bridges at each end, and a hair airway west.
    There are plans to make better use and add a taxi way, and where the water is inside by the car park, extension of the terminal and more and larger stands.

    It does also generate much employment, and the residents have worked along with it, as have Newham Council. With the direct and short times needed to fly in and out, and the best location to The City and Central London, who can put a price on the efficiency of travel this provides and is valued at for the economy?

    I agree with a Boris Island new Airport, even though it would take 4 times the time to build in the UK, but all the examples from around the world indicate a new airport is the best long term plan.

    However, LCY has its purpose, it is a real pleasure to fly from and connects many of the main cities in Europe, and some domestic ones also. The need for larger aircraft, that are new, with less emissions is a matter for all airports especially LCY with many old RJ 85 aircraft still in use. But their forward planning takes this into account.

    The Aviation industry is doing very well in investing in new technology. KLM play their big part in Bio fuel experimentation and many green efforts and awarded each year for the best in The World, as one example.
    The new orders for 25%+ more fuel efficient aircraft, and less emissions per seat with larger aircraft is the way forwards. It maybe financially driven, but will impact the environment greater than many other industries are bothering to do. Governments need to ensure older aircraft are discouraged, and maximise the passengers enabled on each flight, therefore increasing capacity of an airport for numbers overall, per slot.

    Many cities around the world have an old, or smaller airport very near the city. It is more about how the Airlines use it, where they will take you, what aircraft they use, than questioning the existence of the Airport itself.


    PeterCoultas
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    superchris is spot on: onto my flight in under an hour from locking my flat in central London and, with no hassles, is why LCY is the best airport in the UK – don’t expand and don’t close it!


    Panda01
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    There are people on the internet that think of weird things and closing down London City airport is one of those weird things. Who ever got the idea to build a airport in the capital, won’t like to see the airport close down.

    It is a unique airport and if the airport gets its runway expanded, would help to bring more airlines from more places, which is good, and maybe BA might expand both normal BA and Cityflyer to fly to longer reach places, so maybe in the future, London City to Dubai.


    KarlMarx
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    It’s a load of Lefty guff:

    Not exactly an Oxford Union quality debating?


    PeterCoultas
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    Nice to know Karl Marx learn debating skill in the Oxford Union!


    MarcusUK
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    I really pay no attention to “Think tanks”.

    How sad that another Business (or Government), has such little talent, that it needs to Consult a “Think tank”, and cannot generate ideas and solutions from within its own employee skill base.
    Utter rubbish.

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