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Anonymous17 Sep 2011
On AF website, there is this message:
The new Affaires seat: more spacious and user-friendly
Designed by ergonomics experts, this elegant seat has been revamped to offer ideal sleeping conditions: in just a few seconds, it transforms into a bed that is 2 m / 6.5 ft long and 61 cm / 24 in wide, one of the most spacious on the market.
With its user-friendly controls, you can easily find your best position throughout your flight. You can even have your legs outstretched before takeoff, as well as during takeoff and landing.
The seat also includes a new storage space and a removable armrest to facilitate access for passengers with reduced mobility.
We are progressively installing the new Affaires seat on all of our long-haul aircrafts, and by summer 2011, the seat will be available in approximately 20 aircrafts.
Has anyone tried this “new” seat? Do you know whether it is fully flat (finally) or not?
Thanks17 Sep 2011
It depends on which “old” you are referring to… The first lie-flat seat was in … leather. Didn’t last long though, as they got a flood of complaints of passengers unhappy to end up in their shoes (on leather you slide!). Then we saw a seat that lasted for a while (http://en.flyerwiki.net/index.php/File:Air-france-business-class-02.jpg). Not a great one for night flights. I think I saw an improved version of that first one then. Now they promote http://www.airfrance.fr/FR/fr/common/guidevoyageur/classeetconfort/affaires_confort_airfrance.htm that looks like the new one KLM has. But I heard they are considering a flat bed… Hence the question…17 Sep 2011
I am still nervous about flying Air France again after the Rio crash and the comments about Air France pilot training being seriously deificient (with respect to high altitude stalls in particular). Does anyone know if Air France is addressing this or still in denial mode?17 Sep 2011
Hold on, Rich, you cannot compare the French BEA with the US FAA… BEA is not impartial and it was once more proven with this case since they were ordered by the French government to withdraw from their initial report anything that could involve Airbus (but French press could point that out)… In the French aviation history, other such cases exist, the most (in)famous being probably the Mont St-Odile one.17 Sep 2011
The difference being there was a transparent process to identify the reasons for failure and steps taken to prevent re-occurrence. You must also look at size and number of flights. Interesting for those who want to know more http://planecrashinfo.com/rates.htm.18 Sep 2011
No further comment regarding the transparency of the process… Appalling in Europe as soon Airbus is involved… For the rest, I was referring to accidents with fatalities while the link above (interesting though) encompasses many more…18 Sep 2011