London Congestion Charge £15 *daily* from June

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  • esselle
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    Alex

    As capetoninm suggested, unless you are a resident or collecting/delivering goods, you have to be daft to travel into central London by car anyway.

    What we resdients in suburban areas are more concerned about is the extension of the zone into the area bounded by the North and South Circular roads in just over 8 months’ time.

    Whilst home is in Cheshire, we have an apartment in Islington. Our middle daughter lives in Battersea, and after a Saturday night enjoying the theatre/dinner, we would often drive to see her on a Sunday morning. Marble Arch, Park Lane, Sloane Square, Kings Road. 20 minutes. No congestion charge.

    The route “avoiding” the charging zone would involve Marylebone Road, Westway, Sheppard’s Bush, Earls Court Road,etc,etc. About three times the distance, three times travel time, three times the emissions.

    This silly Mayor will crush tourism and the hospitality sector, which currently needs every bit of help it can get.

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    ontherunhome
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    The citizens of London have a chance to reject the current mayor next year. He has to have been the worst mayor, albeit there were only 2 others before him. he has done nothing to improve London as my capital city, even though I dont live there. Traffic, Knife Crime, protests etc.

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    Cedric_Statherby
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    He has to have been the worst mayor

    I am not an apologist for Sadiq Khan, but I think what this episode shows up is quite how little power the Mayor of London actually has. On knife crime and terrorism, he does not have direct control over the Metropolitan Police, and anyway terrorism is a direct Home Office matter not a devolved police matter. On transport, and in particular on the congestion charge which this thread is about, his hands are heavily tied by the removal by central government of any form of financial contribution to TfL (London is almost unique in the world in receiving no subsidy for its public transport system), and by the punitive terms imposed on TfL by the prime minister in return for bailing them out when their fare revenue collapsed in the lockdown (terms specifically designed to embarrass the Mayor, and much harsher than those imposed on any other company receiving government support during the crisis). And on housing, the other main area where local authorities are meant to have some autonomy, the current government has been absolutely shameless at overriding local authority decisions, especially for their friends.

    And we might also want to try to avoid viewing past mayors with rose-tinted spectacles: Livingstone created a hostile political atmosphere, pledged support and cash for Venezuela (so important for Londoners’ well-being, wasted a lot of money on bendy buses and achieved almost nothing positive, while the main legacies of Johnson’s time as mayor were endless roadworks as he built cycle lanes, disrupted the flow of traffic around Trafalgar Square etc and the Emirates Air Line, a complete waste of money which no-one uses.

    To return to the charge being levied on Boxing Day – the tubes will be running, and many stations in zones 5 and 6 have car parks. Drive to them and then ride into town in comfort and for no congestion charge!

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    DavidSmith2
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    To return to the charge being levied on Boxing Day – the tubes will be running, and many stations in zones 5 and 6 have car parks. Drive to them and then ride into town in comfort and for no congestion charge!

    Fine if you are north of the river. Little comfort for those south of it though, unless you are near Brixton or Wimbledon.

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    Cedric_Statherby
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    Little comfort for those south of it though, unless you are near Brixton or Wimbledon

    Very true, though Richmond and Morden also have tubes, and the Overground and trams (which will also be running on Boxing Day) together reach quite a lot of S and SE London. But you are now blaming Khan for the fact that the main network south of the river is National Rail not TfL? That has more to do with geology (the ground south of the river was in earlier times marshy), which in turn led to central London being mostly north of the river (all the way from the Romans onward), which in its turn led to real estate interests on the north side being too expensive for the early railway companies to drive their lines all the way to the river – that’s why all the north London termini are in a line on the Marylebone and Euston Roads, whereas the southern termini are right up to or even just across the river – which in turn made tunnelling and the new tube lines the logical solution north of the river which it wasn’t south of it. And so on.

    But basically, Khan has to play the hand he is dealt with. And that hand contains a hybrid transport system, some of it under TfL and so his control (overground, underground, buses, trams) and some of it not (national rail in SW London mainly), and a financial position in which the government have deliberately weakened him (by withdrawing the subsidy TfL used to enjoy) and then used the pandemic crisis and the frailty of TfL that they themselves created to bully him.


    ontherunhome
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    Khan, also did the populist thing, by not raising prices each year. If you have regular small increases, it will help. Clearly all staff I assume, had annual pay rises, and so unless you get more efficiency or more pasengers, year on year, you end up going backwards.Trying to be popular and get re-elected. I think and hope it has backfired for him.

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    ASK1945
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    Khan, also did the populist thing, by not raising prices each year. If you have regular small increases, it will help. Clearly all staff I assume, had annual pay rises, and so unless you get more efficiency or more pasengers, year on year, you end up going backwards.Trying to be popular and get re-elected. I think and hope it has backfired for him.

    Whilst I agree with the sentiments here, this thread is not about Khan’s re-election (or not). It’s about the Congestion Charge. The Congestion Zone – we have been told – was introduced by Ken Livingstone (or was it Boris – but it doesn’t matter who) to reduce the number of cars in the centre for health reasons. So be it.

    However, now it has gravitated towards another tax, nothing to do with the improvement of health I believe. Whilst I wouldn’t dream of taking my car into the centre of London on any day because I have very good public transport links to get there, others do not. Not exempting the charge on Boxing Day (in my view) is very mean spirited. The decision was entirely Khan’s.

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    AMcWhirter
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    Many thousands of Londoners are “being hit with £160 congestion charge penalty notices each weekend.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/congestion-charge-weekend-fines-a4519066.html

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