22nd January 2011 at 17:10 #499122
Anonymous22nd January 2011 at 17:10 #499123
Less than 12% of BA’s cabin crew voted against industrial action. Now is the time for the BA top men to negotiate pragmatically to resolve this dispute and have ACAS arbitrate where agreement cannot be reached.22nd January 2011 at 19:03 #499124
Where is this figure from as there are so many floating around. The above does not sound realistic.
Having said that apart from perception, the strike has so little effect on flights it is meaningless.22nd January 2011 at 19:19 #499125
It’s a reference to the total number of crew voting No out of the total number of BA cabin crew.
It’s all rather fatuous.
It’s fine to talk the theory of negotiation, but in Unite you have a parent that cannot control its two squabbling children, CC89 and BASSA who, just like spoilt children, won’t understand the word No and like the throw their toys out of the pram and throw hissy fits at regular intervals.
If this were just a simple industrial dispute between two parties, an employer and one trade union it would have been resolved a long time ago.22nd January 2011 at 20:33 #499126
12% of those polled, not of the cabin crew population.22nd January 2011 at 21:48 #499127
Thanks for the clarification as there are so many statistics flying around. Hopefully this will be the last strike.22nd January 2011 at 22:50 #499128
Less than 12% of cab in crew voted against striking. FACT
The data is based on exactly the same data and basis on other thread which was designed to mislead, grab a headline and delude readers.
There are 13,375 cabin crew (approx)
1,579 Cabin crew voted against strike action.22nd January 2011 at 23:03 #499129
“Less than 12% of cab in crew voted against striking. FACT”
No, it is a statistic built on a false premise, because several thousand cabin crew were not eligible to vote.
It is only a true statistic if all the cabin crew are eligble to vote.
Equally false would be to say that only 43% of cabin crew voted for the strike, which is precisely why I caveated that one on the 43% thread.22nd January 2011 at 23:32 #499130
Disgusted – Make the point to VK. These figures are based on exactly the same premis. VK wished to sensationalise by manipulating the figures. This uses the same manipulation.
VK should look in a mirror before making statements about mendacious posts.22nd January 2011 at 23:36 #499131
You are both using false premises.
I have corrected you both.24th January 2011 at 15:38 #499132
Nearly 6000 employees, individuals, are disgruntled enough with their management to actually strike. Nearly 3000 did not return their ballot which indicates they are indeed union members and could decide to take action either way. And after a year of this ongoing saga only 1500 were fed up enough to say no to actual strike action.
Why would BA be happy with such huge numbers of unhappy workers which news of their grief is now damaging the brand on a worldwide basis. Or don’t they care any more about the British Airline now it has gone international?
I just had a look at the new proposal to Vintage Krug so kindly posted a link to. Quite frankly, it is laughable. It is stated there will be a “firm commitment from British Airways in respect to their terms of employment.” A firm commitment.. what is firm with BA these days? Also, that they “Honour current and future agreements.” Well, this the need for this was dismissed in the courts, so why should Crew believe this? In other words, BA are NOT committed to solving the current Industrial Dispute and creating certainty for its workers and most importantly the passengers.
There is too much pride and macho management within BA, why, for the sake of all us travelling public don’t they just let all contracts fly together and negotiate?
12% of the balloted crew didn’t vote actually for strike action, so this is in fact true. As true is the claim from BA that out of 13500 odd crew less than half voted for action. A ridiculous claim considering that only 10000 were eligible to vote. Manipulation in the extreme.24th January 2011 at 17:28 #499133
The type of headline grabbing using misleading statistics used on another thread is evocative of UK red top journalism. It is sad that BT allows such deceptive thread titles – especially when there are already threads discussing the potential industrial action available but ignored.
I certainly hope this is not indicative of BA top men behaviour and they are above this type of puerile, deceptive manipulation24th January 2011 at 18:24 #499134
Lies and statistics!
Perhaps this will help. 13,375 cabin crew, 7,335 ballots returned.
1,579 voted No, which is 22% of those who voted and 12% of total cabin crew.
5,751 voted Yes, which is 78% of those who voted and 43% of all cabin crew.
6,040 did not vote at all, which is 45% of the total cabin crew count. They didn’t vote Yes, and they didn’t vote No, and to include them in any statistic other than Did Not Vote is, in my view, an attempt to mislead.
(Sources : Cabin crew numbers – this thread. All other data, Unite web site.)24th January 2011 at 18:26 #499135
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the dispute, it is clear that BA think they can win. The increased number of flights operating each time the crews strike (and what apppears to be the decreased number of strikers) supports this. Critically, the deployment of more and more Mixed Fleet crew again lessens the effect of the industrial action each time. I suspect the BASSA members are in reality in a similar position to the UK miners in the 1980s. Contributors to the forum have strident views on both sides of the debate, but I think it’s inescapable that BA will get its way and are clealry prepared to run the risk of more industrial action to achieve that. Moreover, the longer it goes on, the more likely BA will succeed.24th January 2011 at 19:05 #499136
Quite. As a diversion from statistics, it might help the debate if “passengers” that are vehemently supportive of BASSA could explain what they think strikes will achieve bearing in mind the following:
– History has shown (over decades) that a vote to strike does not equate to participation in a strike. 5,700 yes votes does not mean 5,700 strikers. Also factor in that two part-time crew striking can be replaced by one VCC.
– BA is infinitely better prepared for a strike than last year. There are more VCC who have undergone more training. BA delivered on its promises last time, so it’s reasonable to assume that it will deliver on its promise of 100% long haul flights.
– Cabin crew know this time that BA is not bluffing about staff travel. It will be withdrawn. Again.
– The last strikes only made matters worse for crew. Lost pay. Lost benefits. Lost friendships. Damaged working relationships. What’s different this time?
– BASSA is considerably weaker than a year ago. It’s membership is falling and continues to do so. BASSA supporters are starting to openly question the leadership (see posts from the BASSA forum yesterday). If the last two strike ballots caused a significant attrition in a previously very strong union, what has changed to stop this continuing? Why is BA going to change tack to interrupt the slow motion train crash of BASSA destroying itself from within?
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