[cwoodward]

According to media reports in Hong Kong the vaccine identified as Ad5-nCoV that has already been through two phases of clinical trials which indicated it was safe and there was a “relatively high” immune response to the antigen.
The PLA has approved its use for a year but it has not been authorised for civilian purposes as the third and final clinical trial is not yet completed.
This seems a significant step forward in the fight to beat this coronavirus blight.

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[K1ngston]

Well they have had more time to work on it as they were the country that gave us the pandemic in the first place! And no I am not embarrassed or ashamed to say, here in Asia if they had moved much quicker and stopped the wave of Chinese leaving for CNY this year when they knew about the virus back in Dec 19 maybe just maybe we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now!

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[cwoodward]

This reply has been reported for inappropriate content.

It was I that reported the above post for the statement content that is mainly of a political nature with no real news or information value thus I believe not appropriate to this forum. Nothing personal intended K1ngston, I don’t necessarily disagree totally with you but this is I believe the wrong place to air personal political views.

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[K1ngston]

cwoodward wrote:

It was I that reported the above post for the statement content that is mainly of a political nature with no real news or information value thus I believe not appropriate to this forum. Nothing personal intended K1ngston, I don’t necessarily disagree totally with you but this is I believe the wrong place to air personal political views.

I understand but doesnt change my view… can’t always be politically correct cwoodward 🙂

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[cwoodward]

Thanks for responding in a good spirit K1ngston however:
It’s not I believe a case of ‘political correctness’ more one of this being an inappropriate vehicle for your personal political views.
If it was I would perhaps have posted that this an interesting day for us here in Hong Kong!

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Marc_ACB

[K1ngston]

cwoodward wrote:

Thanks for responding in a good spirit K1ngston however:
It’s not I believe a case of ‘political correctness’ more one of this being an inappropriate vehicle for your personal political views.
If it was I would perhaps have posted that this an interesting day for us here in Hong Kong!

Yes indeed! Duly noted and please take care, and when in Singapore or Thailand next reach out please 🙂

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[LuganoPirate]

Sorry if I put my head on the chopping block here, but I tend to agree with K1ngston, and it’s a view shared by many, but they are too scared to say it. Further, seeing what and how the Chinese reacted to Australia few politicians have the courage to say it.

I also think this is very much a travel related matter. Because of this I can’t return to South Africa where I have a home and a business but no income from it. I want to see my daughter in Lisbon and my son in Greece, but the risks are too great and the idea of having to wear a mask for a prolonged period is frankly unappealing. I’ve done it while shopping in Italy and that just for 30 minutes or so!

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[simeoncox]

It’s a convenient cohort – “Oh, look! There’s a uniform group of people willing to take orders…”, remarks one pencil neck to another.

▪ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-07/warning-adf-personnel-should-not-be-in-coronavirus-drug-trials/12125980

[LuganoPirate]

Just seen this about a potential vaccine being made in South Africa.

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/dexamethasone-made-in-south-africa-2020-6

I just hope the Americans don’t come along and try to buy it all up as they have done with Remdesivir!

[simeoncox]

Dexamethasone is not a vaccine, it is a powerful steroid used against aggressive inflammation in soft tissue (esp. brain, lung). It is short-acting and has a limited useful intervention span. It is for rescue scenarios only.

Dexamethasone is cheap to produce, and hasn’t been under patent for decades. No chance of the market being cornered.

[simeoncox]

Edit: Dexamethasone is indicated for use in debilitating inflammatory auto-immune disease as well.

[Inquisitive]

I am surprised some people consider discussing this topic inappropriate. This issue push the world upside down and affected travel, so can be discussed.

Of course China is too powerful hence many countries choose to keep quite. Also there could be vested interest due to business collaboration.

But there is no denying that very likely Chinese government hide the issue initially and more open communication could have reduced the impact. Consider the fact: just one city of China was affected and hardly any other parts of China is affected despite high travelling population between these during festive season it started; whereas the whole world is affected just outsiders catching this from Wuhan? I do not see any analysis on this.

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[canucklad]

Inquisitive wrote:

I am surprised some people consider discussing this topic inappropriate. This issue push the world upside down and affected travel, so can be discussed.

Firstly, I know that there are many fellow forum contributors who have close ties to China , whose insight have been and would be welcomed on how to live with, and do business with a China that’s appears to be regressing back to a time of the PRC.

And it’s worthwhile remembering ….

1) Our business travel ( even domestic) has been severely curtailed for now and the foreseeable future
2) Many of our favourite airlines and hotels have or will disappear for good
3) Business / markets that we collaborate with , will potentially no longer see value in those relationships

I consider the forum a great sounding board , a place where ideas are openly shared and importantly a potential to influence thinking

I know that BT has to be very careful , especially considering BT Asia is based in HK , but there’s the rub …….. Alex, Mark & Tom’s colleagues are now walking a fine line to avoid being in the firing line.

It comes down to the age old problem …….How do you deal with a Bully ?

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[esselle]

canucklad wrote:

Inquisitive wrote:

I am surprised some people consider discussing this topic inappropriate. This issue push the world upside down and affected travel, so can be discussed.

Firstly, I know that there are many fellow forum contributors who have close ties to China , whose insight have been and would be welcomed on how to live with, and do business with a China that’s appears to be regressing back to a time of the PRC.

And it’s worthwhile remembering ….

1) Our business travel ( even domestic) has been severely curtailed for now and the foreseeable future
2) Many of our favourite airlines and hotels have or will disappear for good
3) Business / markets that we collaborate with , will potentially no longer see value in those relationships

I consider the forum a great sounding board , a place where ideas are openly shared and importantly a potential to influence thinking

I know that BT has to be very careful , especially considering BT Asia is based in HK , but there’s the rub …….. Alex, Mark & Tom’s colleagues are now walking a fine line to avoid being in the firing line.

It comes down to the age old problem …….How do you deal with a Bully ?

On “how to deal with a Bully”, I think the best answer is to ignore them.

Personally I am surprised that on a valued, good natured, informative, and open forum such as BT, an individual will occasionally pop up and give a mini lecture on what is, and what is not, legitimate comment.

Too reminiscent of old champagne in my view.

[Swissdiver]

Of course, K1ngston could have added something like “people think here that…” or “I believe”, but come on! We are here on BT for too long not to be aware we tend to be blunt.

Now can we go back to the initial topic?

What are the hopes this vaccine could help us?

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