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  • #520311

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    #520312

    AllOverTheGaff
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    Does anyone happen to know how many planes have been fitted with New First as heralded by BA in 2009?

    I’d be intrigued to know what percentage of their long-haul aircraft have benefited from this makeover and at what rate per annum they can / have refitted them.

    Regards.
    AOTG.

    #520313

    KingofEngland
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    Here’s a handy tool for anyone looking to see what a particular rout may be flying: http://ftdashboard.net/overview/baflights.htm

    #520314

    Bucksnet
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    Did they really start in 2009? It seems like it’s taken ages.

    #520315

    Cheeryguy
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    The entire fleet have been refitted with the exception of 14 mid J hulls. All of which will be retired over the next 12 months.

    #520316

    VintageKrug
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    No, they did not start in 2009.

    #520317

    AllOverTheGaff
    Participant

    @Cheeryguy – how many have been done? And where is this info from?

    Thanks.
    Rgds.
    AOTG

    #520318

    Cheeryguy
    Participant

    http://www.thebasource.com/
    With 52 747’s active 38 have NF, 14 do not.
    All four class 777’s have it, the 18 ex GMIS now have Thales IFE.
    All of the above info is from the website I have posted the link to.
    Hope this helps?

    #520319

    dutchyankee
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    @AOTG, I am not sure how accurate, but on the The Source for BA, it shows 38 747`s, 6 777-300, and 30 777-200ER with new first. They list the fleet as 55 747 (3 of which are stored so 52 operational), 6 777-300, and combined total of all 777-200`s 46, hence an overall percentage of 71% of their longhaul fleet with New First. Of course when you take the three class aircraft out, this percentage increases.

    #520320

    AllOverTheGaff
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    Thanks Cheeryguy & dutchyankee.

    In fairness to BA, they have a higher percentage than I had thought, I must just be unlucky…..

    When did they launch New First? I note that Club World was in fact in the year 2000!

    Regards.
    AOTG.

    #520321

    VintageKrug
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    So that’s 74 aircraft with New First out of 88 aircraft with F cabins. 14 soon to be retured without being retrofitted.

    That’s 84% with new F and of course the non new F is restricted to mid-J 747s, so normally routes with less business traffic (e.g. MIA).

    I would imagine the non-converted birds will increasingly be used only for standby as the new A380 fleet arrives from next month onwards.

    So you’re 100% getting new F on a 777.

    100% getting new F if on a hi-J 747.

    Chance of old F on a low-J 747 around 50%, but decreasing as the 747s start rolling out of service.

    #520322

    dutchyankee
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    Hi AOTG, according to the site, There are only 12 4 cabin aircraft still operating with old first, and they are in the Low-J configuration. I believe BA started to roll out NF in late 2009 or early 2010, so it has taken quite some time.

    #520323

    VintageKrug
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    NF rollout did not start in “early 2010”.

    New First was introduced in July 2010 on the 777-300ER and required certification by CAA as it was anew seat design (unlike some who say it wasn’t, it’s a completely different seat mechanism, with some footprint changes from the previous seats).

    That’s about 36 months, during the depths of a recession exacerbated by a cabin crew union intent on bankrupting BA, to refit 74 aircraft, about two a month in the most efficient manner possible (alongside scheduled maintenance, the burden of which was increased by the need to keep older airframes in the fleet for longer than anticipated), including the work to refurbish the interior of some 767s and introduce new WT and WT+ in some aircraft which was not originally in the time plan.

    I’d say that’s rather an achievement.

    #520324

    dutchyankee
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    I didn’t realise BA was the only airline having to operate during ‘the depths of recession.’ Funny how others thrived, introduced new products, innovated, all during that same recession. I too pity BA.

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