[Cleancabinair]

Re the radition I entirely agree with you especially as flights are utilising sectors that take aircraft up over the pole on an more frequent basis. It is also a concern that needs to be addressed. As a commercial pilot I respect your point of view, however it seems that you do not provide any credence to the issues above dismissing them without considering mounting evidence of crew (Cabin as well as Cockpit) whose livelihoods & health have been drastically impacted by Toxic Air Syndrome. Puting to one side the new stories of Major UK tabloid whose stories are sensationalist (though on this one they are closer to the truth than most will admit), there are several pilots I know whose careers have been derailed, licences cancelled without full or proper explantion of their conditions and destined for an early grave.
One I know who also flew for a major UK airline for nearly 30 years suffers everyday from fatigue (5 hours useful functional activities), continues to have issues with full co-ordination, impaired decision making & inability to utilise full cognitive responses. His skin condition is impacted being very thin and bleeds after the slightest contact or impact.
His early demise will probably be associated with the shut down of his neuro functions that will cause him to suffocate as he will no longer be able to breath.
He continues to fight for compensation from his airline which refuse to acknowldge his condition. His pension should have begun at 60 as per the rules when he was flying. However due recent changes in the law he cannot ‘officially’ retire until 65. However at the same time the loss of licence insurance on medical grounds ceased at 60. thus there is a gap in his income until he is 65 which his former airline is till considering but not committed to helping with.
I would suggest that you might have more compassion for your fellow pilots as it could be on your next flight that you experience a serious oil leak in to the cockpit (and going to oxygen may allow you breath, the exposure on your skin will still mean that you absorb the chemicals from the engine oil)… I sincerely hope that this is not the case but the possibility is always there if the engine seals are worn or poorly fitted by the engineers(whom in the past month we know in one instance failed to check the clips on engine cowlings leading to an emregency incident).
Whilst this is not a pleasant subject for a business traveller forum it is one that needs explantion. I thank you for taking the contrarian view so that I can expand the issue so that all flyers (crew and pax) are able to undertake some of their own research in this phenomenon.

[CXDiamond]

Well from my perspective working in the world of airline finance I’m delighted to have seen the A350 in the air. It will be a game changer that will offer airlines the chance to operate a single type of aircraft to replace everything from the 332/762 through to the 773. If the project goes without glitches Airbus have a real winner that will change the face of air travel over the next ten years.

It is no secret that the LH 748s will be retired to make way for the A350 which at one level is sad as the 748 is a beautiful plane but if we are honest, it was only ever built to spoil the A380 which it has failed to. Now as LH are going to replace it so early I guess the production line will close.

I think we can expect to see some major orders in the course of the next six months.

[Ellwood]

I would love to see it flying over the runway at the Paris Air Show next week to be accompanied with the announcement of X number of orders by airlines that have been waiting for it to fly before confirming negotiations already in progress.

I don’t think we will see it at Paris due to strict safety procedures (unless it were to happen to get “lost” on a test flight from Toulouse) but I hope that the orders come in thick and fast to support Airbus and the bits of British manufacturing that go into these great machines.
Ed

[JohnHarper]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching the A350 take to the air. I was lucky enough not to be working yesterday morning so I was able to watch all the coverage.

At one level it’s just another plane but it’s also one that I think we will all see a lot of over the next twenty years or so. Its success is also great news for British jobs too. Wonderful.

[Toxicair8]

CX Diamond … spoken as true finance man as long as there is a financial gain devil take the hindmost in regard to passenger and crew safety! If the evidence is used to hold airlines to account for poisoning passengers and crew you could be calculating compensation packages in million of dollars rather than optimising seat revenues & minimising cost factors on payloads! If you are complacent on this issue it demonstrates to the public the indifference that your profession has toward your employees and arrogance toward the travelling public (which probably includes your own family!)

[BigDog.]

Odd that the subject of air quality has been mooted by two new posters – apparently the only aircraft with a different system is the 787 – is there an agenda here.

Toxicair – CXDiamond is a long serving, highly respected poster on this forum. Maybe you should be targeting the authorities which are responsible for licencing aircraft in the first place. And by the way CXDiamond is a lady, something you would have known if you had become familiar with the forum before being making a rather aggressive first post.

[Henkel.Trocken]

Interesting that a new poster starts out with an attack on a well respected forum poster. Having met CXD earlier this week the poster doesn’t know how wrong he is about her, the post is quite sad.

Interesting article here about the new engine on the A350, it sounds amazing. I can’t wait to fly on it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22889969

[Toxicair8]

yes there is an agenda… to raise awareness & highlight the cover up occurring in the aviation industry toward Toxic Air Syndrome.. all airlines, oil firms, aircraft manufacturers, engine manufacturers, regulators etc all have a hand in this .. if not with deliberate intent then by benign neglect and indifference… because it costs money!

I don’t care who manufactures the aircraft that has ‘non-bleed-air’ compressor. it is just that Boeing have realized there was a problem and decided to incorporate the new technology in to the B787 (not really ‘new’ as aircraft such Boeing 707’s in the 50/60’s utilised a previous version of air compressors…yet more costly). Yet Boeing are disingenuous as they know they will impact the sale of their other aircraft types if they admit that have the knowledge that their B777, 737 & 747 types have the potential to poison people in flight!
If Airbus have a similar technology it should be promoted to help differentiate their aircraft.

So next to the engine manufacturers who state that they will not guarantee their power units unless the Tri-Crysl-Phosphate (TCP) component is in the engine oil. There are alternative oils available from specialised manufacturers, however it is easier/cheaper for the engine oils to come from the main suppliers, e.g. mobil etc. It is a cosy relationship between engine oil suppliers and the engine manufacturers in this respect to maintain the status quo!

The forums are for open discussion, thus my ignorance of CX Diamond’s gender or frequency of posting is immaterial & have no bearing on my stance on this issue.

The more that the travelling public understand about the risk from Toxic Air Syndrome,the better. When the perils of cigarette smoking were pointed out I am sure that similar intransigence and resistance to curbing the habit. Only by spreading the knowledge did attitudes change. Thus my agenda is clear!

[BigDog.]

Please treat the forum with respect and avoid hi-jacking threads with your off-topic agenda. Have the courtesy to start a new thread on the subject of air quality if you want a discussion, starting a discussion on this thread is ill mannered, inappropriate and an abuse of the forum.

[Toxicair8]

Bigdog,
With respect it is entirely appropriate as it highlights that the attitudes of the established aviation world are not prepared to embrace changes needed to make the safe operation of jet aircraft, in respect of the cabin air, in which both airline professionals work (do you tolerate smoking in your office/workplace? a poor example but it makes the point), and passengers have to endure!

I am ready to begin a separate thread on the Toxic air subject, as I feel that I have achieved some reaction and awareness in this thread already. Or maybe somebody with a contrary view defending the use of the current ‘Bleed Air’ technology could propose the thread?

Either way the awareness of the problem will be raised… and not before time.

[Henkel.Trocken]

BigDog. – 15/06/2013 12:51 GMT

+1

Toxicair8 Please start a thread and we’ll see how much interest there is in it if it is still in the top ten by Monday.

[Henkel.Trocken]

There’s a good video of the A350 flight here:

http://www.airbus.com/video

[Toxicair8]

Hi Henkel Trocken
I look forward your comments in the tread together with any others/
If feel that the Toxic air is a fallacy then your reasoning will be welcomed.
Lack of comments from your self and other posters will reflect the complacency & acceptance of the aviation industry’s indifference in addressing the matter.
Thank you.

[Henkel.Trocken]

I’ll settle for being indifferent on this matter.

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