300 Euros fine for not wearing a mask inflight to Amsterdam

Don’t be silly, Philip. I don’t have to prove myself here, any more than any other contributor.

I remain of the view that it was an opinion piece, not original research. I agreed with the opinion and that’s my opinion.

For the last 5 months, I have been carrying out a scientific experiment with face masks.

For between 4 and 8 hours per day, depending how much time I am outside home, I have been wearing a face mask. My experiment is to measure whether my breath goes through the mask without the velocity of my breath (and therefore any particles it carries) being impeded, or whether the breath is blocked by the mask and diverted at reduced velocity to an area closer to me, i.e. further away from other people.

In order to arrive at a statistically valid sample, I took around 15 breaths per minute, thereby giving me a total statistical population of 540,000 to 1,080,000 breaths. I found that in each case (a) I could detect little or no air movement even inches in front of my face mask and (b) there was greater warmth around my face, suggesting that my breath was remaining closer to my face than if I hadn’t worn a mask. (The hours during the day when I didn’t wear a mask, e.g. when I was at home, served as my comparison point.)

In order to achieve peer review of this experiment, I managed to get 6 million other people in Hong Kong to carry out the same exercise.
Curiously, the peer reviewers found very similar results.

I am now wondering what to do with these data. I had considered checking whether there was any correlation with a lower rate of viral infection, say in a tightly packed Asian city once described as part of the epicentre of Covid, with hundreds of flights and numerous land and sea crossings with China, but perhaps this is a little far-fetched.

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Definition of “dissed”: “to treat with disrespect or contempt”

I wrote:

“An excellent article, with which I agree with the tenure of what he writes. But it is not “peer reviewed” so must be treated only as a personal opinion, unfortunately“.

Definition of “peer reviewed”: “The goal of peer review is to assess the quality of articles submitted for publication in a scholarly journal. The reviewers are impartial and specialise in the same scholarly area as the author; they are considered the author’s peers (hence “peer review”). They check the manuscript for accuracy and assess the validity of the research methodology and procedures“.

I doubt that I need to add another word about my credibility.

As has been clear with the WHO, and in many discussions on here, the wearing of a face mask Will NOT prevent you inhaling Covid 19.

Research shows the particles of Covid are far smaller than face mask protection capability, and depend on the concentrate of the virus.
Physical distance remains the main best method, and that of being Outside compared to in, or ventilation, which produces the Viral Load you receive.

Medical grade face Masks, need to be Disposed of after each use, as a Clinical Waste Product! That means Equivalent of Hospital Waste bins, along with dressings, surgical disposables etc…
Will the airports or Airlines be providing those, or train anyone to do this?
I very much doubt it….
And so they will become a great source of infection sitting wherever they are left.

Non medical face masks, need to be washed after EACH use.

EU Guidelines supported by similar WHO, and incorporated into Clinical Policies and procedures in the NHS England….

“It should be ensured that medical face masks (and respirators) are conserved and prioritised for use
by healthcare providers, especially given the current shortages of respiratory personal protective
equipment reported across EU/EEA countries.
 The use of face masks may provide a false sense of security leading to suboptimal physical distancing,
poor respiratory etiquette and hand hygiene – and even not staying at home when ill.
 There is a risk that improper removal of the face mask, handling of a contaminated face mask or an
increased tendency to touch the face while wearing a face mask by healthy persons might actually
increase the risk of transmission.

The face mask should completely cover the face from the bridge of the nose down to the chin.
Clean hands with soap and water or alcohol-based hand sanitiser before putting on
and taking off the face mask.
When taking off the face mask, remove it from behind, avoiding to touch the front
side. Dispose of the face mask safely if it is disposable. Wash your hands or apply alcohol-based hand sanitiser
immediately after removing the face mask.
Washable, reusable face should be washed as soon as possible after
each use, using common detergent at 60 °C. Campaigns for the appropriate use of face masks may improve the
effectiveness of the measure.

It should be emphasised that use of face masks in the community should be considered only as a
complementary measure and not as a replacement of the core preventive measures that are recommended
to reduce community transmission including physical distancing, staying home when ill, teleworking if possible,
respiratory etiquette, meticulous hand hygiene and avoiding touching the face, nose, eyes and mouth.
Appropriate use of face masks is important.”

EU Guidelines…”

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/COVID-19-use-face-masks-community.pdf

Morning all,

I am continually amazed at the lack of willingness to undertake a few simple behaviours and cannot really understand why despite them working in other parts of the world . Must be the bravado and exceptionalism… of we know better …

Many countries that have integrated approaches , like masks for all, temp checks when entering premises, hand gels literally everywhere,contact tracing that works , as well as mandatory registering when entering shops etc… are fairing considerably better than home shores. How many dead now ? 65,000 ?

But .. according to so many , masks don’t work .. still amazed they wear them in hospitals then .. but who am I to question…

I for one , do not enter shops , etc ( which you cannot do btw without a mask) or travel on transport unless everyone is masked … and only 58 deaths and about 3000 cases of covid in my country of 70M people … but hey what are we doing wrong???

Good luck to all …

In the UK alone of the 40K+ deaths various web sites are speculating (for pure informed and uninformed speculation is all can be) that up to 60% of these deaths could have been prevented if a proper prevention regime had been put in place early enough. Of course masks would have been far from the sole answer but it is irrefutable that they would have played a very significant (and laterly are) part in saving lives and preventing an even worse disaster. History will not be kind.

It seems that the situation in the USA is now totally out of control with infections and deaths spiraling out of all control in many states. It was sickening to watch a clip on the BBC news website of a large aggressive group of Texas rednecks refusing to wear masks and threatening police who were endeavoring to enforce the law. So utterly stupid!

canucklad
You have always struck me as a very informed, grounded sensible chap but your above post saddens me.
Masks do take a while to adjust to and for the first couple of weeks I found them ‘difficult’.
I and 7 million hongkongers have been wearing them now for 4 months and the advantages are obvious to all – no epidemic in densely populated Hong Kong and no littering.
For the past 3 weeks the temperatures here are well over 30C but 99 % of the people the population are still wearing masks and no local cases for a very long time – it cannot be coincidence.
They have worked for many countries and are undeniably of considerable assistance in containing this horror.
Please persevere.

Here is a statistical analysis of the effects of mask-wearing and social distancing: