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I’d hardly call £12.50 Manchester to London expensive.

Perhaps using would net some decent fares for the one who finds the train expensive.

As for avoiding the “drunk and loutish passengers on match weekends” – I’ve found 2 simple options. Check the match listings so you avoid the likely trains, and use my eyes – if I see a bunch I don’t fancy the look of then don’t travel with them.

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