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Timfitzgerald, thanks for the heads up, I will start making a noise. I can see in theory why they think that 5 abreast gets more people in, but I am not sure it does. You see where you have five abreast it is so squeeze often the middle seat of the three is unused. Thus you have four people uncomfortable because the contours of the seat are so narrow. If you do have five people sitting abreast then those in aisle seats have one butt cheek in the aisle each, so nobody can stand there. It don’t work, it does not increase capacity, it just hacks people off. If you do have a name at DfT let me know, I will have a (polite) word in their ear. I have contacts at DfT but they are highways.

By the way Canucklad, your rant about women at ATM,s… would be impressed with MrsM who I am sure can get money out of an ATM by just walking briskly past it. Look at my bank balance, I can prove it!