Just found this thread. I cant see any benfit at all from spending £1800 for the gimmicks. The add on values I need, I already have. Unlimited upgrades at a hotel means you have to go there first of all. I think it would be more useful to base it on service, not freebies. For the difference between the Pat card and the centurion card, you can more or less buy a business class ticket. I just cant see it lasting. The idea is good, the design is tacky, becuase basically you are buying a card marketed as prestige to find your self in sort of ‘pyramid’ sales campaign – i.e. we give you discount if you buy – and Amex earns a very high commision on all transactions, espcially overseas transactions. I reckon when Willy leaves BA, he will head straight for Amex – then it will sink faster than the titanic.