Why do corporate travellers spend more than necessary on air tickets?

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    Carajillo2Sugar
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    I have started a new topic on this subject as I am intrigued to find out more and hope to open this up to a wider audience.

    Some of you corporate travellers are so good at spending other people’s money!

    eg typical BA flexible/refundable fare LON-NYC is well over £4k + taxes, whilst the equivalent cost of travelling with United Airlines is just over £2k + taxes, so less than half the cost. For a 7-hour ‘hop’ across the Atlantic, is any airline on the route worth spending twice as much as UA will cost you? Seriously!

    Another example is the BA fare to Luanda at over £6.5k + taxes. They code-share on this route with DT (Taag Angola) – Taag have an allocation of seats on each BA flight. The flexible fare on DT is less than £3k + taxes, a saving of well over £3.5k per trip. Just to be clear, it’s the same flight, the same seats and exactly the same service on board. The reasons given for not taking this bargain are incredible:

    “I won’t be able to get my Avios miles.”
    “I need to do online check-in and can’t do that with DT.”

    You can purchase an awful lot of airmiles for £3.5k….

    The question every CEO/Finance Director should be asking their travellers is, “Would you be spending this amount of money if you were paying for it yourself?”

    And if the answer is yes, make them pay for the difference in the cost!


    SealinkBF
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    Why do so many people like Coca Cola when there’s Pepsi?
    Or save more money by buying the supermarket brand?

    Answer:
    – personal taste
    – a bit of ego
    – frequent flyer schemes
    – I wouldn’t touch United with a barge pole. Oh wait, my metaphor was about cola.


    SealinkBF
    Participant

    Why do so many people like Coca Cola when there’s Pepsi?
    Or save more money by buying the supermarket brand?

    Answer:
    – personal taste
    – a bit of ego
    – frequent flyer schemes
    – I wouldn’t touch United with a barge pole. Oh wait, my metaphor was about cola.


    canucklad
    Participant

    Ironically Carajillo2Sugarif you book CHEAP flights with BA out of your own hard earned wages , you probably should thank those same corporate travelers who stick rigidly to internal corporate policy for subsidizing your ticket.

    And actually if I was to go onto my corporate travel website today to book air travel, the first thing that pops up is a reminder of my companies travel policy stating that British Airways is our preferred carrier and such should be chosen first.

    And as I’ve said before on the forum, there are many ways for finance directors to recoup cost of travel. Plus, in my companies case, they would rather I suffer the misery of rail travel rather than the cheaper option of flying to demonstrate our green credentials….


    nibbler
    Participant

    For my travelling at least; time and day of flights is the most important thing.

    Being stuck in, say, India for a day waiting for the early morning Qatar flight and getting back to the UK exhausted having had to deal with a transfer at a very unfriendly time in Doha (again say, could be muscat, or Dubai etc) rather than taking the earlier BA direct BA flight costs my employer at least £1000 in my not being available for another days work.


    kweeki1
    Participant

    My experience: high costs come from corporate contract signed with corporate travel agency.
    When I compare costs of flights and hotels offered on travel website with the costs shown on AF, KL or Expedia sites, the advantage very offen go to the direct booking option. Which is not allowed.
    And why the corporate contract is not good : because it has been discussed and signed by corporate purchasers who have no clue what business travelling is about.


    TMConsulting
    Participant

    Kweeki1…
    Are you sure it is the “Travel Agency” that make corporate travel cost higher (significantly)? or rules imposed to travel agents through a coporate travel policy…


    cityprofessional
    Participant

    I don’t think it’s as simple as the list price for big corporates. Few, if anybody, buys a fully price, fully flexible £4k ticket to NY these days. That would be stupid… It’s a bit like thinking BA paid the list price for each of its A380s – $428m, in case you were wondering

    I work for the one of BA’s top 10 customers. We get route deals, which means *significantly* lower fully flex fares on key routes. We have increased flexibility on lower priced tickets. We also get a [many] millions in kickbacks based on our spend at the end of the year. In the rare event that the list price of a BA flight to NY is higher than an equivalent UA flight, the volume rebate and other benefits more than offsets the additional cost – e.g. the ability to be late and get put on the next flight with minimum fuss and no fees; this doesn’t work if there are only 3 flights an evening out of EWR on 757s…

    These corporate deals – the ones that fill up the front end of the plane – are critical to the success of airlines, at least in the UK business market. And in return for these deals, we fill the front end of their planes. Win-win!


    BALoyalty
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    Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Most corporations have special deals with their preferred airlines, the scheduled fare does not bear resemblance to the fare charged to the corporate traveller.
    I am globally mobile. I am happy to go anywhere – but I draw the line at a number of airlines (even if they do offer good deals). I was stuck in a typhoon in Taiwan, I had to be in a meeting in Singapore and I was pleased that I travelled with Cathay Pacific (yes, they are expensive) – they managed to get me on a flight once the airport was open. The cost of a missed meeting would have been much higher than the difference in price compared to other airlines.


    Gold-2K
    Participant

    The company I work for gets a very significant kick back at the end of each quarter based on hitting certain spend levels. Sometimes the fare paid looks higher than the lowest fare that can be booked on line with the airline, but when quarter-end kick back is received (which can easily be a seven figure number) the fares get very competitive.


    TheRealBabushka
    Participant

    Does it bode well for employee morale if the employer is perceived to be cheap?


    Carajillo2Sugar
    Participant

    I don’t think it’s a question of employers being seen as ‘cheap’, more a case of being prudent and showing some common sense when it comes to getting the best value from their travel budget.

    From some of the responses so far, I appreciate there are some very good deals for those with a massive spend and who have a route-deal with a particular carrier, but what about those who don’t?

    Going back to the example I gave of prices to New York, at the moment both United and American have flexible/refundable fares of around £2.5k inc.taxes, yet we still see many clients paying £2k more to travel with BA. You still get Tier points and Avios on the AA flights, their Business Class is at least as good as BA, so why pay twice as much to travel with BA?

    With the right choice, an SME with 24 trips per year to NYC could save around £50k – not exactly small change!


    MrMichael
    Participant

    Our corporate travel deal was put together by the procurement department. In my experience procurement professionals seems to be bogged down with the adage, “buy in bulk, get it cheaper”. In many cases that is indeed the case, but not all. Subsequently the deal with the company I contract to and the TMC does not appear to have any element of the TMC shopping about. It simply asks me where and when, and books me on as close to that criteria. . Having said that, colleagues going to the Far East only ever fly Etihad, almost no exceptions, even if the times do not suit. My business partner does London-Hong Kong about 8 times a year and has flown nothing but Etihad for the past 3 years or so.


    AnthonyDunn
    Participant

    To reply to the OP, it is a classic instance of “economic power”.

    If you are one of those people fortunate enough almost to be able to name your terms and conditions of service and who’ve seen your annual take-home rise to 50-150 times the average salary, then throwing around £5K on a fully flexible J or F ticket is neither here nor there. To paraphrase Leona Helmsley: “making savings are for the little people”.

    The same principle applies further down a corporate tree except that here it is rather more aligned to self-perceptions of position and status within the corporate pecking order. Despite all the protestation at Snr Mgt’s employer about “staff acting like owners – and cutting costs accordingly”, their new HQ in a plush part of central London was not done on the cheap, never mind the wall art etc. And they fully understand how they could save a fortune by copying her travel pattern (ex-EU doglegs and travelling long-haul in business over the weekend) – but they don’t/won’t.

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