[Flightlevel]

There was a good review on here on two flights with children on QR 787 and 350 to Asia, a few months ago and it made clear the differences. The 787 came a poor second. The only advantage via DXB is the price and possibly two 380s ‘though all airlines are competive now.

[MarcusGB]

PaulKaz…Hi.

Interesting point, but currently you have different parts of every State Airport (main airports), that serve Only domestic, OR International.
Many European visitors will always require an ETA, and even when i have innocently had a long weekend in Auckland whilst in Sydney, they treated me as though i was going to renew my Visa for 3 months in Oz!
They treat the Tasman as people who use it for these purposes, fine as i just gave them my travel folder with all my bookings in end to end, (including Concerts etc), and sat for 10 minutes whilst they checked all out, and came back, and off i went. All my personal belongings in the apartment i leased for the 6 week!

So, multiple entry exits, will not be possible.
You still leave say Sydney on a domestic flight. You then have to change to an International flight, so how can you leave from the Domestic area, when you are actually leaving Internationally, with separated terminals?
They would have to screen off, and direct those arriving into Perth to leave Internationally, so your point of exit of Australia would still be Perth.

It still does not make sense coming into Perth, if you are not having your baggage screened, when you have cleared Immigration. And i cannot see this being done quickly at all, when changing of Aircraft, possibly terminals, off the aircraft, Immigration, walk to connect board and off. Travel on from Perth will be less quick, than booked through any other International gateway, such as DXB, SIN, where baggage and you have nothing but a last screening for personal security and Visa OK at the gate.

Transfers on for me, would seem very dificult and complex.

I am aware of where the Authority comes from for the Customs and Immigration services. But, Each State applies them differently, there are prohibited items in NSW that you could take into Victoria for eg, and other States.
So how that Authority is used, is down to State regulations, not Federal.
To and from Perth, may work fine, but on a 789 /10 either, not for me, for all the reasons people have listed.
I do wish Qantas a better partner than EK though and revive their Business, just as Air New Zealand.
Etihad are paired up with Virgin Australia, and hold about a 3rd equity in them also. Qantas are still very reliant on a mainly Domestic Market, and a few key routes, Internationally, far less than before.
i think it a pity the Australian Goverment sold out to so many Gulf Airlines, that really have stolen the business from Aus / NZ and Asian carriers.

[canucklad]

Hi Martyn
I know I shouldn’t believe all the marketing malarkey, particularly from Boeing, since the aircraft will bare no resemblance to the designers vision. The old commercialism wins over artistry thing.

For me, and I was flying QR for the first time too, so was also doubly duped.
anyway, when I boarded I didn’t get a wow factor, it felt cramped and on 3 of the sectors the middle seat was free.
In addition, having bigger windows is fine, but if they are predominantly blacked out to allow people to sleep then what’s the point.

I’m not saying it was a bad aircraft, it just didn’t have anything extra over a 777 or a 330 which is a much nicer plane…..Under whelming would sum it up !!

[DavidGordon10]

I agree Canuck – an over-hyped and pretty average aircraft. I avoid it if there is a choice of another carrier at the same price for the same journey using a 777 or 330.

[paulkaz]

Hi MarcusGB thank you for your comments. You ll see earlier in this post QF and the WA government have been arguing on who will pay to create a mini international terminal with in the domestic terminal.
I imagine it will work like Tom Bradley does in LAX.If I m flying to MIA I land and proceed through immigration collect my bag pass through customs and then before exiting a QF or AA person takes the bag onward tagged to MIA. I then exit customs go to the AA terminal for what is now a domestic flight.
I asssume QF are hoping that this proceedure and the straight off the plane out the door at the domestic arrival will be quicker than the combined quick transit in DXB but possibly very slow customs/ immigration process arriving in SYD on QF2 at present.
Again I suspect the PER hub is more aimed at us Austraians leaving to various future European destinations circumventing the DXB /EK arrangements.
As wisely said above by rferguson QF should have done a deal with Qatar.
Regarding customs, each employee at evey airport international or domestic are Federal employees who apply the same laws. All prohibited items brought in from an overseas destination are equally prohibited in all states. There are no variations.
Yes between states some domestic items are prohibited like fruit from known fruit fly infected areas but they re Australian fruit.Regulations on other business activities do vary from state to state and for many years even the railway gauges were different.Very tedious. This doesnt affect air passenger travel.
Regaring immigration, yes the laws are strict to prevent purported holiday visitors undertaking work.Both to protect Australia’s high average wages but also the abuse of illegal workers. A student, working holiday ,or business visa allows multiple entries. I m not sure why you were stopped returning from Auckland. Certainly holiday tourists maybe be grilled( usually by plain clothes immigration officers engaging in a surprise chat at the bagage claim) and luggage checked for any intention to work.Again that would happen in PER if transitting from the 787-9 flights or arriving in SYD on QF2.
I very much agree that QF are taking a bit of a risk with the length of the flight but Australians are very used to long flights such as 14.5 to 17 hour flights to LAX and DFW and DXB. It may be harder to convince in bound traffic.

[MarcusGB]

Hi Paulkaz again.

Good to hear some further information.

By the way, this is the KLM Dreamliner i have taken twice now, and will again in a few days time from KUL to AMS. Its great in Business with newer Suites, so a pleasure to fly on. Otherwise, i find it a small aircraft even the 789, and 10’s to come.

Wishing no offence, i was once told by one of the Federal Police friends i know at Sydney, that “Sex toys are not permitted to be imported into NSW from overseas, or other States…Victoria seem fine with them!”
One of my Colleagues in Sydney a senior Dr, also said this was the case, though let us say, he came across this from “A different angle” whilst on duty at the Hospital! Rather than confiscate an item someone tried to hide it, and it was “internalised”.

There was some State legislation that interpreted some variation in regulations, and State Parliaments can vary some local conditions, and NSW did with some variations.
Sydney (NSW), also have detectors now to put in your Personal computing or phone to check for inappropriate material, that of photographs and clips, history etc!
Other States do not do this, but it is used more and more, and is able to detect that which they consider banned with some data detection system.

I was stopped on return from Auckland, as it is the well known “Visa renewal run”, to extend by 3 months, or for illegal working. uite innocent on my part, just a corner you are near, and would not transit NZ, so a nice weekend. In future though i go end or beginning of the Australia trips as an add on one way and fly in or out of there.

EK have really bullied their way into Australia and NZ, and QF and NZ have taken bad hits. If you are in Auckland between 16hrs-18 hrs each day, all you see are huge about 6 x 773 or A380 EK Aircraft, loading people on to all the major Australian cities, as they all run from DXB via say Sydney, and on and back from NZ. Air NZ was and remains a great Airline, but cramped in their scope now.
EK also have their direct NX service now which must be hitting the local Airlines more!

[MarcusGB]

Hi Paulkaz again.

Good to hear some further information.

By the way, this is the KLM Dreamliner i have taken twice now, and will again in a few days time from KUL to AMS. Its great in Business with newer Suites, so a pleasure to fly on. Otherwise, i find it a small aircraft even the 789, and 10’s to come.

Wishing no offence, i was once told by one of the Federal Police friends i know at Sydney, that “Sex toys are not permitted to be imported into NSW from overseas, or other States…Victoria seem fine with them!”
One of my Colleagues in Sydney a senior Dr, also said this was the case, though let us say, he came across this from “A different angle” whilst on duty at the Hospital! Rather than confiscate an item someone tried to hide it, and it was “internalised”.

There was some State legislation that interpreted some variation in regulations, and State Parliaments can vary some local conditions, and NSW did with some variations.
Sydney (NSW), also have detectors now to put in your Personal computing or phone to check for inappropriate material, that of photographs and clips, history etc!
Other States do not do this, but it is used more and more, and is able to detect that which they consider banned with some data detection system.

I was stopped on return from Auckland, as it is the well known “Visa renewal run”, to extend by 3 months, or for illegal working. uite innocent on my part, just a corner you are near, and would not transit NZ, so a nice weekend. In future though i go end or beginning of the Australia trips as an add on one way and fly in or out of there.

EK have really bullied their way into Australia and NZ, and QF and NZ have taken bad hits. If you are in Auckland between 16hrs-18 hrs each day, all you see are huge about 6 x 773 or A380 EK Aircraft, loading people on to all the major Australian cities, as they all run from DXB via say Sydney, and on and back from NZ. Air NZ was and remains a great Airline, but cramped in their scope now.
EK also have their direct NZ service now which must be hitting the local Airlines more!
the complexities of the bureaucracy in Australia will be interesting to see how this one works out.

[paulkaz]

Very interesting MarcusGB. The EK A380 s swamp the trans tasman routes as their full cargo holds between Aus and Nz almost pay for the flights. Passengers are the profit.
I m proud to say Sydney is a wash with sex toys of every colour size and description so your Doctor friend’s patient endured discomfort needlessly!
A very merry christmas to you and the readers of the Forum.

[MarcusGB]

You are very well informed on these matter PaulKaz!!!
Would Santa fit one of these into the Average Xmas stocking i wonder?

BT should reward your accurate information with a prize, a pack of “Brown paper bags” to take your purchases with you through security, rather than those see through security bags some airports, “SHOUT” at you to pick up!
(I do detest those Shouting people as if no one has flown for the last 10 years and does not know!)

A Sydney Security woman told me off for not having “the right kind of see through bag”, (I bought a zipped one), but said she would let me off, a few years ago. Stanstead you have to buy one for £1 from a machine apparently!
Needless to say i grab a few each time, and never have to shop for freezer bags from my Supermarket.

I hope Santa does not Stuff your stocking with anything from Sydney, or you can call my Psychiatric help line…0808…

[BrotherJim]

Wow, missinformation aplenty where to start?

[quote quote=780976]
It still does not make sense coming into Perth, if you are not having your baggage screened, when you have cleared Immigration. And i cannot see this being done quickly at all, when changing of Aircraft, possibly terminals, off the aircraft, Immigration, walk to connect board and off. Travel on from Perth will be less quick, than booked through any other International gateway, such as DXB, SIN, where baggage and you have nothing but a last screening for personal security and Visa OK at the gate.

Transfers on for me, would seem very dificult and complex.
[/quote]

If the international flight terminates in Perth you would clear immigration, collect bags and clear customs and recheck, It isn’t hard, and even easier if under the same roof. This scenario is already not uncommon and the airports in Australia are designed to handle it. Sydney for example Qantas has a bag drop area at the international terminal and will bus you to domestic. Melbourne, international is in the same terminal as domestic. So collect bags, exit to the left for Qantas, the right for Virgin, drop bags you are on your way.

And outbound you would check your bag in at your point of departure, fly domestically then transfer to the international departure terminal or lounge. And even if a same terminal transfer, like I did in Darwin the other day you always go through a second layer of international grade security before the international flight. Eg in Darwin if you arrive off a domestic flight you would have had domestic screening on departure, then walk into international where they do additional screening for LAGS.

Not hard and done many times a day by many Australians. We don’t all live in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane. A shock I know.

[quote quote=780976]I am aware of where the Authority comes from for the Customs and Immigration services. But, Each State applies them differently, there are prohibited items in NSW that you could take into Victoria for eg, and other States.
So how that Authority is used, is down to State regulations, not Federal.
To and from Perth, may work fine, but on a 789 /10 either, not for me, for all the reasons people have listed.
I do wish Qantas a better partner than EK though and revive their Business, just as Air New Zealand.
Etihad are paired up with Virgin Australia, and hold about a 3rd equity in them also. Qantas are still very reliant on a mainly Domestic Market, and a few key routes, Internationally, far less than before.
i think it a pity the Australian Goverment sold out to so many Gulf Airlines, that really have stolen the business from Aus / NZ and Asian carriers.

[/quote]

It would seem you don’t underhand where the ‘authority comes from. Coming into Australia the Australian Border Force (ex customs department now merged with Immigration) and AQIS (Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service) applies the same rules regardless of state of arrival.

Where you might be getting confused is between states there are prohibitions on the transportation of plants, fruit etc between each other and indeed within parts of the same state. But again controlled by AQIS to the common set of rules. It is not a state issue what so ever, despite there being slightly different rules around interstate shipment of certain items.

http://www.quarantinedomestic.gov.au/

Besides, Qantas hasn’t announced if the Perth flight will temrinate in Perth or head to somewhere else, the rumor being to Melbourne. If it went onto Melbourne, you would not have to clear immigration and customs in Perth (unlike the US system where you do at first point of arrival), the flight would carry on to Melbourne where you would do clearance. Domestic passenger can be carried on domestic legs of international flights and are subject to some slightly different rules, but again nothing to hard or difficult to comply with.

[Henryp1]

We quite like long direct flights if the hard product and IFE is good, catering important but not the selection of alcohol. 17 hours would be a challenge but wouldn’t say no as I prefer direct flights over changing at intermediate airports.

The BA Dreamliner with First is a nice product with space and comfort, just waiting to see what the business class product is like on Qantas.

[AMcWhirter]

Henryp1 – “Just waiting to see what the business class product is like on Qantas.”

See here:

Qantas unveils Dreamliner cabins and updated logo

[flyingcanadian]

I am not going to comment on the pros/cons of this QF Non-Stop LHR-PER,
but just to say that SQ is bringing back SIN-EWR Non-Stop when they get delivery of a
special designed A350-900 and the flight time on the West Bound route could be as much as 22hrs!

That will make the LHR-PER or DOH-AKL look quite short! I know SQ previously flew this route,
but with fuel prices and the A/C used, it had to be discontinued! But they have been in talks
with AIRBUS for an A/C to fly the route and the configuration is going to be: J/C PE AND Y.

QF have actually said they plan to use the 787-9 on the LHR-PER to/from SYD to attract Pax and
business from the East Coast. That substantiates “Ferguson’s” comments that it will use the
Domestic terminal in Perth. It will also offer domestic pax the chance of Flat beds in J/C
between SYD AND PER.
May I take this opportunity to wish all Forum readers a Very Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year.

[AMcWhirter]

Seasons greetings to you too, flyingcanadian.

In fact we covered SIA’s ultra long-haul A350 over a year ago in October 2015.

SIA orders seven A350 ultra long-haul aircraft

But the flight time for Singapore-New York nonstop should take around 18 or 19 hours at most and not the 22 hours you quoted. Those were the nonstop timings achieved when SIA operated its A340-500s.

[GivingupBA]

flyingcanadian, thanks for the information. I found 9009 miles for LHR-PER non-stop, and 9534 miles for SIN-EWR non-stop: SIN-EWR is thus 525 miles further. Happy New Year to you too!

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