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travelwell - 20/01/2010 21:50 GMT

how easy is it to get a second uk passport as its becoming quite difficult with trips and getting visa's in time. anyone done it ? thanks


Expat_Consultant - 20/01/2010 22:06 GMT

No problem. Get a senior person in your company to write a letter explaining why and then apply in the normal way.


TominScotland - 21/01/2010 09:27 GMT

Yes, this is very simple. I have had two passports for many years - they usually require a notional business reason - mine was regular travel to Iran at that time and the need to lodge a my passport for extended periods at the embassy for visa purposes - no multiple entries available at the time. As UK passport holders we're lucky in this regard. A Greek colleague went through hell trying to obtain a second passport and got one on condition that she always lodged the second with the Greek Embassy in London when not using it!!


travelkate - 21/01/2010 13:36 GMT

as the other posts, this is easy & will make your life so much easier if you frequently have to apply for visas. But make sure that you never travel abroad with both passports, keep one at home or work in a safe place.


DJ_London - 21/01/2010 13:54 GMT

It is also helpful to say that you will be travelling to a country that does not accept passports with entrance stamps from certain countries: such as, Saudi Arabia and Syria who do not let people enter the country if you have visited Israel. I will share an example letter at my company that we use to aid staff to get a second Passport:-

UK PASSPORT OFFICE

Dear Sirs

Second Passport Application

This is to confirm that xxx is employed by this company as xxx. He/she has been in our employ since [date].

[Name] is a frequent traveller and is therefore in need of a second passport as we anticipate several trips over the company months. Several countries that [he/she] will be travelling to will require visas and therefore we would request a second passport to expedite these while [he/she] is traveling.

Over the coming months and into next year, [he/she] might be required to travel to:

Nigeria – September 2010 China – October 2010 Russian Federation – November 2010 Saudi Arabia – January 2010 Pakistan – January 2010 India – January 2010 Israel – February 2010

We confirm that [he/she] will return to the United Kingdom to resume employment with this company after this trip. Please assist [he/she] in obtaining a passport allowing her to enter travel.

If you require any further information with regards to [he/she] employment with this company, please do not hesitate to contact me on the above number.

Yours sincerely,

[name] [title]


travelwell - 21/01/2010 19:43 GMT

thanks for all this info, they are all excellent suggestions and tips


Age_of_Reason - 01/12/2010 14:56 GMT

Mostly good stuff - but no need to leave one at home - the whole point is to travel with both??

Just remember :- -NEVER change passports in a foreign country - always do it in the international space or UK -it's a uniquely british privelege and some goons will not be understanding - be patient while they satisfy themselves and avoid if possible letting them see more than one - it is VITAL in the letter to passport officer to specify which countries you will visit (the examples above are perfect) - FCO Consular staff can be more understanding and helpful than UKPA staff


travelworld - 01/12/2010 17:58 GMT

yes- one further point. Once you have got a second passport, in order to replace or renew it (mine got filled up very quickly) you have to go through the same performance again and get a letter from your employer, mentioning the countries you are likely to visit.


jonathanmiller - 02/12/2010 14:17 GMT

Guys - help please. I live in Spain. I need a second passport (example of why, Ghana has just announced that a visa will take 2 weeks (previously 4 days - and other too numerous to mention) and I just can't lose my passport for that long. I have to apply to Madrid, letter from my company, all that. But on what form? As a overseas resident it seems I must use Form C1. But the very first catechism thereon insists thayt one choose between "first passport" or renewal/replacement. Patently neither is the case for me. But I can find zero guidance concerning what form is appropriate. Any ideas please? Thanks a lot. Jonathan


MartynSinclair - 02/12/2010 14:46 GMT

Jonathan, I applied for my second passport on line. It took about 5 days to come through. It was very easy. I did have to send the employers letter of seperately, but I recall that I got a barcode envelope or label so it could be identified.

https://www.ips.gov.uk/epa1r1a/Rich/SubmitApplication.aspx


Age_of_Reason - 02/12/2010 15:14 GMT

Jonathan You use the 'first passport' application for your second passport, because it is your primary 'passport' from your domciliary country (ie UK). Second passport in this context is a misnomer - we have One Primary passport but are allowed two passport documents, A second passport in FCO-speak would be from a second country.

I recall that for an FCO passport document (ie from a British Consul abroad) it was possible to apply remotely but it had to be collected personally (2007).


Hong_Kong_Phooey - 02/12/2010 16:36 GMT

I used to travel extensively to Eastern Europe when based in London and had a second British passport due to the length of time it would take to get certain visas. However when I moved to Hong Kong about 5 years ago and tried to renew the second one at the Consulate there, I was told that they no longer did this, however I was "welcome to try back in the UK".


jonathanmiller - 02/12/2010 17:05 GMT

MS, AoR, HKP - thank you all for your kind responses. Crazy isn't it? I mean that there isn't a simple FCO or other government resource to which one can pose such straightforward procedural questions? MR - your link seems to have been overtaken by change, sadly. My little heart thumped with anticipatory excitement when I saw an apparently real live gov.uk link! Ah well. Thank you all, again. Jonathan


Age_of_Reason - 02/12/2010 17:39 GMT

Thanks for the acknowledgment. Remember real security requires agility and uncertainty, otherwise the felons will rapidly exploit the rigidity of a consistent process.

Regding HK, probably the Consul there is subject to his host's whims regarding his status, and the SAR would not be allowed the trappings of a representative office to a 'capital'.

Good luck all.


jonathanmiller - 02/12/2010 17:55 GMT

AoR - UKPA (as indeed other passport/visa issuers) is, I suspect more of a bureacracy than a security operation. It is certainly characterised by uncertainty but seldom by agility :) Your point is fair and indeed proper - but hell's teeth, all I want is to be able to travel in order to earn my living and that of those who depend on me (and the latter includes not just my family and employees, but also quite a number of unfortunate kids and also refugees in various place around the world). Frustrating in the extreme it is. Apologies for the slight loss of cool.


FaroFlyer - 03/12/2010 10:28 GMT

I had a similar situation 18 months ago. I suggest that you make a new application, for a "first passport" and send a covering letter explaining that your current passport is almost full, but has a valid China, or other, visa with a year left. Make sure that you give a UK contact number as they will then telephone you to say that it can't be done. Explain over the phone why you need a second passport and the guy will give you his name and suggest that you write to him explaining again. He will then take your case to his boss and it should work. They may require a UK address to send it to by recorded delivery. Hope this helps


jonathanmiller - 03/12/2010 10:45 GMT

FF - thank you for your kindness in writing to offer a pragmatic solution/suggestion. But I have a couple of problems.

The overarching one is that I fail absolutely to see why I should have engage in such twists and turns with a representative body of my own national government in order to obtain a perfectly innocent and proper document for a perfectly innocent and proper purpose. And the second is that I have a deep reluctance to tell a lie ... and especially when in doing so it could later turn out to have been an own-foot shot!

Surely to goodness there has to be a vaguely logical and common-sensical approach to this ..... despite the need to guard the system against abusers, wife-beaters, money-launderers, layerers, paedophiles, terrorists and other such unloved citizens?

Arrrrrrrrgh!!!!

... but thanks a bunch for the thought, in any event! Jonathan


MartynSinclair - 03/12/2010 10:52 GMT

Jonathan - just confirm:

1. you are a UK citizen resident in Spain

2. You need a second passport for additional visa's etc

3. You are not returning to the UK for some time

4. You would like your "additional passport" pdq.

Please conform that this is indeed correct and I will happily put my skis on go to my local post office and ask the question and hopefully ID the online form you need. I will also get my travel department to phone the passport office to check. You shouldnt feel as if you have to lie, becasue this is not a unique problem.

Look forward to hearing from you


jonathanmiller - 03/12/2010 10:58 GMT

Martyn - wow! You don't, by chance, have a big white beard, wear red and say "ho, ho ho" a lot, do you? What a fabulous offer of help. Thank you so much.

All your four points are spot on.

Don't cross the tips of your skis, old chap.

Thanks again. Jonathan


JeremyFQTV - 03/12/2010 13:05 GMT

I had to renew one of mine a few weeks ago, and found there are now some extra hoops (for fraud prevention reasons). You only find out the hard way, but: (a) they want the photo certified by a suitable member of society for a renewal (not normally necessary for a ordinary renewal) (b) they want the parents section filled out for a renewal (ditto) Hardly onerous, once you know.



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