Yet another BA 747 goes tech
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at 12:26 by openfly.
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SimonS1ParticipantThe passengers from Monday’s Johannesburg flight should be arriving about now.
25 hours late.
What with the RUH and JFK sagas the fleet is, literally, falling apart.
24 Dec 2014
at 07:33
BA744fanParticipantBA is famed for its high quality and thorough maintenance programme, but there is only so much you can do to keep an aging fleet airworthy.
A quick review of the http://www.thebasource.com shows that there is rarely a day without incident on either a 747, 767 or 777.
24 Dec 2014
at 08:22
BA319131ParticipantIf you follow The Aviation Herald you will see there are issues with planes every day, such as – generator failure, hydraulic leaks, hydraulic failure, bird strikes, engine shut downs, cracked windscreens, tyres bursting, smoke in cabin, engine fires, etc etc.
Planes are mechanical items, things go wrong, fact of life.
24 Dec 2014
at 08:30
canuckladParticipantThe 747 is probably my favourite all time aircraft.
And I do have a bit of sympathy for BA. It’s sort of like looking after your faithful Labrador , that you’ve raised since he was a cute Andrex puppy, but sadly now his hind legs have gone and taking him for a walk has become a labour of love, if not a chore.Sadly BA’s short sightedness in not ordering the 380 earlier is now catching up with them. It must be a hard life being a BeAn counter, seeing the cost of maintaining their 747 fleet, strip out the savings made by the 380 operation.
24 Dec 2014
at 10:00
BA744fanParticipantAs my monicker suggests, I love the 747-400. There is no plane to rival it’s beauty, but it’s time has come and gone.
It’s a shame that BA opted for the A380 instead of the 747-800. Whilst the whale is a fantastic piece of engineering, it’s a dog to look at.
24 Dec 2014
at 10:10
TominScotlandParticipantOf course, BA will hang on to their 747’s as long as they can because, I understand, they are owned outright and therefore, notwithstanding four engines and maintenance costs, they are still relatively cheap to operate compared to new aircraft.
24 Dec 2014
at 10:22
MartynSinclairParticipantwith talk of the A380 production lining coming to a stop due to poor sales, I wonder whether the -800 will come back in favour… or whether the 4 engine aircraft will just become a thing of the past…
24 Dec 2014
at 11:07
JohnHarperParticipantSomehow I doubt the A380 will cease production, I think Airbus were just posturing. The market may be small but it’s still there and as saturation of hubs continues there will be no choice but to use it to maintain growth. Considering the relative size of it, it has done well in a recession.
I wonder too how long people will be prepared to put up with cramped conditions to get the cheapest fare, that worm may well turn too and the likes of Air Canada with 400+ seats on a 773 may be left with burned fingers. There is always a choice.
As for BA, well we all know they missed the boat on the A380 and while they might own their 744 fleet outright it does nothing for their reputation to have so many incidents with it. People will only put up with so much and a tech 744 plus the hassle of an LHR transfer and a disaffected crew may well make people look elsewhere the next time.
24 Dec 2014
at 11:18
MrMichaelParticipantI tend to agree, the 747-400 is past it, a bit like my Jag. The difference is I love my Jag and nobody is relying on me to use it as a form of transport. I keep it going at my own expense to the detriment of Mrs M’s holiday plans…..just as BA are keeping the Jumbo’s going to the detriment of their fare paying pax.
Just for the avoidance of doubt, I am not a BA slayer like some (with good reason) on this forum. I use BA a lot (767/A320 etc) and like them, but would change my tune if delays and or cancellations had a regular significant impact on my travel plans. My occasional alternative is generally Iberia, and of them I guess I am a slayer.
24 Dec 2014
at 12:10
HoundDogParticipantIf I was Airbus Salesperson responsible for BA, I would see the current 747 issues as the perfect catalyst to be calling the airline and trying to do a deal for additional A380’s…….are the ex Skymark delivery slots not still vacant ?……..there is always a deal to be done and Airbus could do with the boost of further endorsement in their prestige product by a repeat order from one of the majors.
24 Dec 2014
at 20:10
KarlMarxParticipantTominScotland – 24/12/2014 10:22 GMT
Your thinking is a little skewed. BA 747s are very expensive to operate, but are written down on the balance sheet, so they would be perfect as an asset that could be used infrequently, e.g. as back up aircraft for more efficient aircraft that encounter technical problems, or for one off charter flights etc.
You are confusing the trade off between running a new fleet with high ownership, but low operating costs (a typical loco strategy) with running an old fleet with low ownership, but high operating costs (plus a higher chance of tech problems and costs.)
BA is moving from the latter to the former model, at the moment.
25 Dec 2014
at 15:08
KarlMarxParticipantTominScotland – 24/12/2014 10:22 GMT
Your thinking is a little skewed. BA 747s are very expensive to operate, but are written down on the balance sheet, so they would be perfect as an asset that could be used infrequently, e.g. as back up aircraft for more efficient aircraft that encounter technical problems, or for one off charter flights etc.
You are confusing the trade off between running a new fleet with high ownership, but low operating costs (a typical loco strategy) with running an old fleet with low ownership, but high operating costs (plus a higher chance of tech problems and costs.)
BA is moving from the latter to the former model, at the moment, possibly one of the drivers for the cost containment approach that is so obvious to regular travellers.
25 Dec 2014
at 15:10
Marlow1971ParticipantI wonder if falling fuel prices will make 744 retention more attractive? Old aircraft should be capable of being maintained reliably with adequate examination, preemptive action and adequate spares.
25 Dec 2014
at 21:29
Marlow1971ParticipantI’m not a big 777 fan but from a capacity and cost efficiency perspective I’m surprised BA hasn’t just ordered more 777-300 and taken the small hit in terms of capacity reduction as per Cathay or many other airlines.
At LHR 747 users are now down to just Thai, Virgin, El Al and BA and in two years will probably be just BA – tells you something!
25 Dec 2014
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