SAS – disappearing soon?

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    LeTigre
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    Not sure what to make of this news:

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/extensive-sas-restructuring-to-cut-headcount-by-40-378831/

    Certainly sad for staff and SAS customers, considering that staff numbers are to be cut by 40% in what is described by the CEO as “the last chance”, routes likely to be reviewed as well.

    It has renegotiated a lot of debt, with several Scandinavian governments providing loan guarantees.

    Ultimately though, it is just increasing its debt, and though flag-carriers are traditionally more resilient to disappearing (through protectionism), SAS seems inevitable to disappear due to large debts, huge competition on short-haul from the low cost sector, uncompetitive practices and finally impending long-haul doom courtesy of Norwegian.

    Any ideas on how to raise cash?

    eg. SAS owns almost as many Heathrow slots as VS (think about 20 returns/day) so why not sell those? They could be worth at least £5m/pair, even off-peak.


    Henkel.Trocken
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    IIRC SAS has been undertaking a restructuring such as this for at least the last ten years and has made little if any progress.

    I always think of them as a case of death by a thousand cuts. It’s coming but there are probably still about three hundred to go before SAS finally dies.

    It is heavily unionised with many very senior staff in terms of service who have terms and conditions that were generous by industry standards forty years ago.

    Fares are unrealistically high for things like shorthaul C considering the product but they seem to fail to take opportunities to generate cash from offering reasonably priced ones prefering to fill Y seats and charge for service.

    I certainly can’t see them selling slots at LHR as those routes are in the main profitable.


    DavidGordon10
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    Certainly worrying for those of who use SAS a lot,and who value many of the things about its general Scandinavian style. Loss of the Heathrow slots would be a blow, too, for the UK-based traveller to Scandinavia.

    The Nordic governments clearly do not have money to burn, but SAS certainly does have a major role in servicing some of the more difficult-to-reach places.

    How many more “national carriers” are at risk? I can think of at least one, but will not write the name … The only reassurance is the Phoenix-like nature of airlines. Sabena? Swissair? ??


    AMcWhirter
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    SAS is the national airline of three countries, namely Denmark, Norway and Sweden. And it’s been too slow to adapt to today’s fast-moving environment.

    So the present cuts would seem a way in which its cost base can be reduced to that of Norwegian which is expanding next year on to SAS’ long-haul territory..

    Some facts which were not entirely made clear or were missed out of the flightglobal.com piece were that:

    * SAS will sell off Wideroe which is the largest regional airline in the Nordic region and which is profitable.
    * SAS will outsource its call centres and ground handling operations. In which case I sincerely hope service standards can be maintained because SAS will become, as far as I can see, the only national airline in Europe which will employ agency staff (ie non-SAS staff) to check-in passengers at its hub airports.


    Cedric_Statherby
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    I wonder how much of the problem SAS face is the three-headed ownership structure. When I read of state support from three separate governments I fear for a coherent strategy. This is compounded by the fact that for Norway, SAS are not the only airtline the country has or even a particularly crucial one, while for Denmark, there is not enough domestic air travel to make SAS’s survival a matter of their national strategic transport plans.

    Like I suspect other posters on this forum, I think SAS do a fair job and I think the world of flying will be the lesser if they go under, but they are not the cheapest wings on the block and (as so many posts about Ryanair have discussed) that tends to be the criterion that today’s mass market considers the most important.


    AndyInSweden
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    Local media mentions (as stated above by LondonCity) that SAS will/plans to sell Wideroe (a profitable subsidiary), their ground handling business and Eurobonus.

    The CEO has taken a 20% cut in salary. Staff may be asked for 15% pay cut and/or increased productivity. Admin functions to be centralized in Stockholm.


    SimonRowberry
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    Folks,

    Not sure about the sale of EuroBonus.

    Regards, Simon


    DavidGordon10
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    They emailed Eurobonus members today:

    “There has been media speculation recently as to whether SAS will be selling EuroBonus. It is therefore necessary to emphasise that EuroBonus is one of SAS’s offers to its loyal customers and an integral part of our company, today and into the future. We therefore look forward to continuing to develop the programme in cooperation with our partners, for the benefit of all of our customers.”

    That doesn’t quite say they are not going to sell it….


    AnthonyDunn
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    Particularly noteworthy is AndyinSweden’s comment that the SAS CEO has taken a 20% cut in salary at the same time as asking the rest of the staff to take a 15% pay cut. That is genuine management from in front – and in contrast to the massive pay increase a certain Irishman took upon moving to a group as opposed to airline specific role.

    And no mention of any senior executive level cost savings, pay cuts and redundancies at IB during the course of the recent Capital Markets 2012 presentation….


    Henkel.Trocken
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    It seems that a few days back, trading in SAS was halted.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/1…89T0IK20121030


    AnthonyDunn
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    As someone who has been heavily critical of WW’s tactics at BA, it does have to be accepted that neither he nor wider BA management allowed the situation at BA ever get anywhere near this dire. Apparently SAS management gave its entire staff one week, expiring this Sunday 18th November 2012 to agree to a substantial package of pay, pension and route cuts that will see staffing reduced from 15,000 to 9,000 or the airline is grounded.

    Apparently, the familiar chestnut of accounting changes to reflect pension fund valuations and liabilities is what has finally compelled SAS directors to make this ultimatum or declare the company insolvent. It rather knocks O’Blarney’s critique of BA as a “pension fund with wings” into the proverbial cocked hat!

    The FT headline is entitled “SAS tops European airline critical list”

    “….This is not just me playing hard ball: this is the brutal reality we are facing. But we have got a chance,” Rickard Gustafson, chief executive, tells the Financial Times.

    The rot set in a long time ago at SAS, which has essentially lost money every year for the past decade, apart from two years of small profits. The capital from two rights issues in 2009 and 2010 has been spent and the main shareholders have said there will be no more.

    “We have got nothing left to consume. We have hit the end of the road. There is no alternative. It is this, or ???” says one director.

    SAS’s four leading shareholders – the governments of Sweden, Norway and Denmark that together own half of the airline, and the Wallenberg family – have agreed to provide a new SKr3.5bn ($515m) credit facility, but only if a new labour agreement is reached by the weekend. ENDS

    If this does not concentrate minds at IB, then I don’t know what else will.


    MarcusUK
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    As many have said on BT, the major Airlines are grouping, and these will be the ones that will survive.

    IAG. LH, and AF/KLM, as groups will stand, as the asset rich and long haul Airlines of Europe, with much of the European networks taken by Easyjet, or other low cost Airlines. I think many of the days of business travel in Europe have gone. AF + KLM shares have doubled in the last 6 months.
    Look at LH letting go all the European non profitable flights (apart from Munich and Frankfurt) to German Wings from January?
    Will all the LH FF’s earn any miles of their European flights then?
    Maybe AF/ KLM and BA will pick up much business traffic when others let it go in Europe?

    The game is changing more and more.

    There are many Airlines yet to go, being in an Alliance as a FF is essential and in one of the big groups programs. It is sad to see BMi, SAS, and part of LH going, but this is reality.

    We often forget then eating into the market the Middle East Airlines are having, taking business from every European city and now clearly at the cost of others.
    Redundancies in Ibieria, AF, LH, SAS show where the direction is. Many crews are leaving for Emirates, and Etihad, who are tying up with AfFKLM , Qantas with EK.
    It is an important strategy as to where Virgin Atlantic will fall, but long enough left and they should decide pronto. I think that Skyteam will leave them the best represented and less duplicated on routes and business.
    Considering Etihad have linked in with VAustralia, and bought equity, i find it difficult to see them opting elsewhere with a tie in of 10 years with AF /KLM.

    Air Asiua has had a massive impact on the Asian Market as have jet star, and now even low cost but high tech planes down to Australia with FlyScoot, to have 787 dreamliners eventually. The investment matters, people want smart aircraft, comforts at a better price. Many Oceania routes are now classified Regional or Medium haul from Asia.

    The game changes continue, but assets, collateral, and new planes with expanding networks are the key to success in my views. Those that are left now, are indeed left out in the cold. The Asian and Middle Eastern Airlines, are stealing the business and will quell many other European Airlines to the past yet sadly.


    VintageKrug
    Participant

    What should be remembered – and praised – is the very great lengths BA’s management went to to preserve existing contracts for those currently employed, and avoid compulsory redundancies, at the same time preserving very generous pension rights.

    Though not one jot of appreciation from many of those whose jobs, contracts and pensions were preserved.

    Sadly, this has not been the case at SAS, and I doubt that is the last European legacy airline to go to the wall.


    DavidGordon10
    Participant

    SAS has not gone to the wall, yet! I can confidently say this as I sit in the excellent SAS lounge at CPH. It will be a loss, if and when it does.

    With legacy “national” airlines, much depends on the attitude of the national governments concerned. A way was found to keep Austrian and Swiss alive, in the LH group, and one factor was the wish of the national governments concerned to keep the name of the national airline alive. At least one other European government is trying to sell its national airline in a way that will at least preserve its name. This is in contrast to the way the Hungarian government reacted to the problems at Malév.

    There are many ways in which one could picture SAS living on in a very different form.

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