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I have been trying to book with BMi -diamond club for business class seats from KUL to LHR on Singapore airlines but all I am getting is Lufthansa. Has any one flown this route? Are the seats lie flat bed? or the nasty similar style KLM seats- at an angle that you keeping down to the flooor and have an uncomfortable sleep all the way?
Hi, the biz class of LH does not have lie flat seats but is comfortable. service of LH is good but not as good as SQ. One more fact to consider, LH flies via BKK to FRA.
Rgds
Thanks. but I think I am opting for Thai for the lie flat seats and the space. Itsonly 6 abreast in the cabin on the 340/777.
Hi, Hate to deflate yr expectations, however as an annual triple gold THAI FF, I think you may be disappointed with the Thai offering. In business class they are certainly NOT layflat. They are the 170deg ones. LayFlat is only available in First on Thai. Also think the flight from KL to BKK will most likely be an old plane... however the cabin crew and service are still "second to none" and the "Smooth as Silk" motto is still very true ( and yes I am a little biased - sorry). Comes from experiencing too much bad service from other carriers.
Thanks for that. As long as the service is great and its a daylight flight , so I won't necessary want to go to sleep, just 40 winks! Thanks anyhow! I see its the 340 600 on most days now and the 747 is rarely at heathrow, but I gather even the 747 seats have been altered?
On my last flight to LHR, TG used an old 747 but new biz class. I recommend the upper deck because TG has a strange configuration on his lower deck.
Hi, yes all the aircraft flying b/n LHR and BKK have been upgraded to the new seating and Entertainment systems. Interesting comment abt sitting upstairs on the 747... I actually prefer downstairs although its a smaller area... ( behind first class) it is cosy and generally I find better service.. but the fact that we all prefer different things makes the world a wonderful place,, enjoy yr flight and the cabin service
Yes I too prefer downstairs. I guess we are all different. I find upstairs before the exit very noisy.
Hi there ,dear Business Class Comfort Seekers !
Actually ,one good option of an outstanding business class on board is Qatar Airways via Doha ...the comfort ,the ambience ,the attentive service ,great food and superb premium terminal facilities in Doha all shape up the image of a caring airline ...!..you stand to collect miles in the LH Miles and More ( not sure about Bmi scheme ) ,but just award miles ,not status ones .........
I still endorse the statement that TG crew and Smooth as Silk motto is a FANTASTIC REALITY ....!!!...TG lounge in BKK is an awesome shelter !!!
Dear KSHaggag,
Yes you can collect miles of Diamond Club. I just did a trip on Qatar in March 09 and yes it was good and better than Etihad in Feb 09.
The C product is not bad but not overall great either. It is just good. You expect a lie flat angled seat which most of the users here say it is pretty good once you have find the right angled ( after an hour or so ) I personally expect full flat and hope in the new A380 or B747 new gen which are ordered that LH will see this as an oppurtunity to improve its product.
Regarding service attitude: It depends on the mood of the F/A some are very chatty and outmost attentive, while others could be cold and unhelpful. If you speak German--you might get a bit of advantage to other pax. Sometimes there are Asian based crew on board and it gets really hospitable like SQ and TG. But the overall picture is that the crew's attitude has improved since the times where we describe them as efficient robots like the efficient German cars. About the food quality: it really improves since the days where the quality was inedible and fruit pieces are from the conserved cans. The often offered seasonal tasting of wines and meals are very nice alternations from the routine meals.
My good memories with LH Business class were only related to the days when in flight internet was available and i thoroughly enjoyed using it. I wish it starts soon . Aside from that, nothing to laud their service which is in one short word- just efficient - but lacks anything warm or special. The lesser said of their in flight meals and the lounges in their airports, the better. Just like the in flight magazine which reminds me of a manual of the Mercedes Benz car.
Hi all,
I flew LH to Delhi last year and it was probably the only occasion when I got a completely undisturbed night's sleep (once I'd stopped playing with the seat controls). I thought their Business Class product overall was excellent.
Well, I think we have different tastes here--but that is absolutely normal !! I just don't understand how could LH with it's lie flat angled seat attract so many fanciers ? Food I would say is the same as BA CW, F/A service attitude same good as well. Entertainment system same good here too. So if it comes to the deciding inch of who is better in C class BA or LH, is not full flat more better ??--I definitely prefer BA because of this fact. Especially when you weigh the lounge experience to the toll--BA lounge terraces in LHR are far more better than the existing lounges in FRA.
Would anyone oppose ?? Why ??
Hi Hess.
Yes, I'd definitely agree with you about the superiority of the Terraces in T5 (which I would suggest is one of the best lounges in Europe). Apart from that, as you say, it's a matter of taste. You may recall, I wrote in an earlier post asking whether LH was lie-flat or not - that shows how much I know!!
Cheers, Simon
Hi everyone !!
Hi Simon--well you know I am actually bias regarding lie flat angled or full flat seat as I could not rest in lie flat angled seats--I have flown with great airlines like TG or MH with fantastic services and all--but the one thing which mess my flight up is the seat. I just cannot get a proper sleep on it! So actually I envy you and others here in the forum who can manage that, inspite of all the pushing and manoeuvring on the control panel. Last time on LH I tried for a long time to get my seat nearly flat--my neighbour sitting next to me was giving me some eyes and wondering what kind of strange movements I was doing--after so many flights on different airlines I just became indifferent to such eyes comments as I wanted to sleep or more drowse actually.
You'll going to laugh about this !! I flew RJ C class with their A340.The seat is a full flat seat like in the other F class products. Really spacious. When I recline my seat full flat--I had the weirdest feeling--I mean I've got the feeling to slide backwards or my head and my torso were lower than my lower body part. So I meant to angle my seat( the head part ) a bit to stop that weird feeling. I later asked the purser, if that has been commented by other pax. She said yes and she knew the experience. She told me the front part of the plane goes up in certain degrees during the flight--so when I recline my seat full flat--I get the feeling of sliding backwards or my upper body is lower than the rest. I don't know, if this is true ?? Perhaps some other users have might had the experience and know the answer for it ??
Regarding LH C is a good product--as I like to fly with BA and LH(we won't exaggerate here!) it is just like " love and hate" at the same time in certain flights. I just want these two which I prefer to fly with to improve their products .
Dear Hess963,
I believe we had the discussion earlier about "flat" versus "angled" seats. When LH introduced the current seat, the discussion around angled seat was defended by the fact that an aircraft like a A340 will fly with 8 degree angle up. Meaning, the nose of the aircraft is point 8 degrees up in flight. Hence, many of the "angled" seats have an 8 degree angle to match the airplane. So, the feeling of sliding backwards could be real.
Now, why this is not an issue on BA CW or UA's new product I don't know,
Hi everyone !!
HI Senator !! Thank you for the notion of my weird experience with the A340. I think that might be the answer to your question as well. I personally did not have such experience with BA CW in both B747 or B777. Even though my seat is full flat--no back sliding or whatever. I think this phenomenon is basically in the A340/330 ??? About UA--I don't know--I did not encounter that situation while flying in their new C class--but here as well more Boeings than Airbuses on longhaul.
Hi,
My understanding is that all aircrafts fly with 8 degree angle. In the case of LH they have 747 and A330/340 with this installed. AF has 747, 777 and A330/340 so I don't believe it comes down to aircraft.
The logic I can't grasp yet is how does this work on carriers with true flat seats like BA, VS, NZ... If aircrafts are flying with an 8 degree angle, shouldn't passangers feel like sliding down if we follow the "angled" seat marketing logic of why 8 degrees?
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