Interlining between legacy and low-cost airlines

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    transtraxman
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    On another topic dealing with complaints, somebody brought up the subject of interlining between low cost and legacy airlines. This is a continuation of the news shown on BT yesterday.

    http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102070/easyjet-to-align-with-lufthansa

    Mention has been made of the talks between Ryanair and IAG about possible co-operation, though this is recent news so will be early days yet. The following article mentions Ryanair´s talks with other airlines, TAP, Virgin Atlantic and Norwegian Air Shuttle as well. I do not doubt that the talks with IAG arise as a result of Ryanair´s shareholding in Aer Lingus being sought at the time.
    “Ryanair In Talks On Interline Deals” (Airwise/Reuters 10-8-15)

    http://news.airwise.com/story/ryanair-in-talks-on-interline-deals

    It should be emphasised that BA has interlined and even codeshared with IAG partner Vueling for some time and is expanding this deal. It is also known that this sort of co-operation has extended between Vueling and Iberia, between Iberia Express and Iberia as well as others.

    http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102052/ba-and-vueling-expand-codeshare-routes

    Lufthansa has set up Eurowings (and formerly Germanwings) to provide feed to Frankfurt and Munich.

    No doubt Air France and KLM will extend their co-operation with Transavia.


    FDOS_UK
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    transtraxman – 23/09/2015 20:45 BST

    Yep, that’s the way it’s gonna go – short haul is a bus service and the legacies have higher bus costs, so thin routes will be serviced by them.


    AMcWhirter
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    transtaxman –

    Just wanted to point out that Lufthansa itself operates feeder flights to/from Frankfurt and Munich.

    German Wings/Eurowings operate flights to/from other regional airports along with the capital Berlin.


    transtraxman
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    Yes, Alex, that is true(but I am no taxman please) but I was trying to point out that connections between legacy and LCC airlines exist already.

    It should also be pointed out that a service towards this end is being offered by Gatwick Airport.
    “Gatwick unveils connecting flight guarantee” (Buying Business Travel 16-9-15)

    http://buyingbusinesstravel.com/news/1624704-gatwick-unveils-connecting-flight-guarantee

    http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/flight-connections/gatwick-connect/

    The question is if anybody has used these services/connections between airlines and what were their experiences?


    Bath_VIP
    Participant

    I am rather intrigued by the Gatwick offer since when you think about, we already incur costs for interlining. If I was using an LCC to connect with another airline, I would have to allow extra time (possibly including an overnight stay in a hotel). In addition, the extra time given would be used to pay for meals and drinks and before long you have a substantial cost (which can still be worth it). So an interlining fee that guarantees a connection or next flight may be cost effective.


    transtraxman
    Participant

    O´Leary is at it again.

    “Ryanair Has Applied For CDG, Orly Slots”, (Airwise/Reuters 30-9-15)
    The important thing is what is said in the last two paragraphs………

    http://news.airwise.com/story/ryanair-has-applied-for-cdg-orly-slots

    “It would be perfectly logical for long-haul airlines like Air France to ask for our help to reduce their losses on short-haul flights,” he said, adding that Ryanair flights could feed Air France at CDG, IAG flights at Gatwick or Lufthansa flights in Berlin.

    “We have already had discussions about this topic with IAG, TAP, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian. I think we will be able to announce a few deals next summer,” O’Leary said”.

    Is this a real pòssibility or just hot air?


    FDOS_UK
    Participant

    Come the next downturn, now many airlines have gone through major cost cutting programmes, there must be a possibility that they will no longer have any more operational costs to cut.

    Ryanair, with the lowest costs of the larger players, will be well positioned to help the legacies stay in business, by delivering connecting passengers at a bearable cost per seat, allowing them to cut back their inefficient short haul routes.


    AMcWhirter
    Participant

    The situation is developing. Although not a conventional carrier, Norwegian’s CEO says a deal with Ryanair is “close” in a report from CH-Aviation.

    http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/40602-norwegians-kjos-says-interline-deal-with-ryanair-close


    LuganoPirate
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    Sometime ago in a post I mentioned that BA should let EY run their short haul ops as they seem to do this so efficiently. It seems the Germans have realised this and are doing it instead. It actually makes good sense though I’m not sure how happy premium passengers will be flying LCC then onto a longhaul flight in F or C, let alone the other way! However, the feeder flights are pretty basic anyway and as long as they prioritise boarding and all the other things that make travelling that much easier for premium travel I guess they’ll cope.

    Malpensa airport also offers an interlining service connecting passengers to/from LCC’s to / from other airlines. I’ve had good reports though I’ve not used it myself.

    http://www.flyviamilano.eu/en/


    TimFitzgeraldTC
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    FDoS

    I think you are right. I imagine the only short haul routes in future served by the non-LCC’s will be key feeders such as LHR-AMS / FRA / CDG / MAD / GVA / ZRH. But any non major capital and 2nd city flights will go to EZY type carriers


    MarcusGB
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    KLM and AF also interline to Etihad flights, with their code share agreement of 10 years.
    Cityjet was sold off by The Group, but IF you book on the KLM website, it counts as a KLM flight, so you do not have the low cost services of Cityjet, your booking has a KL prefix. Otherwise you may pay for luggage, and have to collect baggage and re-check in for your connecting flight, meaning you may miss this!
    Very important if you connect to a KLM flight or another Airline if they have the same agreement


    transtraxman
    Participant

    KLM and AF interlining with Etihad is not the same as Cityjet interlining with any of the three or any others for that matter.

    The agreement between SAS and Cityjet is of interest.

    http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102094/sas-outsources-regional-flights-to-cityjet

    Also is Vueling´s interlining with Iberia and BA,
    Loganair´s interlining with Flybe (despite now being part of the BMI group), while BMI interlines with Lufthansa…………………

    …………….the list goes on.
    The question is this, even after the failed attempt by FlybeNordic to make a go of feeding a legacy airline with regional passengers, does such a strategy have a future?
    One thing is on a small local scale, as the aforementioned alliances are, another thing is a grand alliance between a LCC and one or more of the big legacy groups? Would such alliances be workable, especially where a LCC serves more than one legacy airline(s)? Opinions please.


    Flightlevel
    Participant

    Its a good idea to consider though the practicality is difficult, LCC’s will take no responsibilty for transfer bags, preferring pax to do that, & the nature of LCC flying is that flights get delayed later in the day so transfer times have to be increased – will they put that into computers for connections? The IAG airlines are different since they have one owner & they are not really LCC’s although they operate at low costs.


    AMcWhirter
    Participant

    Flightlevel –

    Please check our original news article linked in the original posting.

    Yes transfer times would longer (because passengers would likely have to check/re-check their bags) but then there’s less chance of bags going astray.

    What the LCCs can offer (at certain main airports) is the fact they can feed the conventional carriers from such a wide range of destinations both large and small.

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