Interlining between legacy and low-cost airlines
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transtraxmanParticipantOn another topic dealing with complaints, somebody brought up the subject of interlining between low cost and legacy airlines. This is a continuation of the news shown on BT yesterday.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102070/easyjet-to-align-with-lufthansa
Mention has been made of the talks between Ryanair and IAG about possible co-operation, though this is recent news so will be early days yet. The following article mentions Ryanair´s talks with other airlines, TAP, Virgin Atlantic and Norwegian Air Shuttle as well. I do not doubt that the talks with IAG arise as a result of Ryanair´s shareholding in Aer Lingus being sought at the time.
“Ryanair In Talks On Interline Deals” (Airwise/Reuters 10-8-15)http://news.airwise.com/story/ryanair-in-talks-on-interline-deals
It should be emphasised that BA has interlined and even codeshared with IAG partner Vueling for some time and is expanding this deal. It is also known that this sort of co-operation has extended between Vueling and Iberia, between Iberia Express and Iberia as well as others.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102052/ba-and-vueling-expand-codeshare-routes
Lufthansa has set up Eurowings (and formerly Germanwings) to provide feed to Frankfurt and Munich.
No doubt Air France and KLM will extend their co-operation with Transavia.
23 Sep 2015
at 19:45
AMcWhirterParticipanttranstaxman –
Just wanted to point out that Lufthansa itself operates feeder flights to/from Frankfurt and Munich.
German Wings/Eurowings operate flights to/from other regional airports along with the capital Berlin.
23 Sep 2015
at 20:57
transtraxmanParticipantYes, Alex, that is true(but I am no taxman please) but I was trying to point out that connections between legacy and LCC airlines exist already.
It should also be pointed out that a service towards this end is being offered by Gatwick Airport.
“Gatwick unveils connecting flight guarantee” (Buying Business Travel 16-9-15)http://buyingbusinesstravel.com/news/1624704-gatwick-unveils-connecting-flight-guarantee
http://www.gatwickairport.com/at-the-airport/flight-connections/gatwick-connect/
The question is if anybody has used these services/connections between airlines and what were their experiences?
24 Sep 2015
at 08:15
Bath_VIPParticipantI am rather intrigued by the Gatwick offer since when you think about, we already incur costs for interlining. If I was using an LCC to connect with another airline, I would have to allow extra time (possibly including an overnight stay in a hotel). In addition, the extra time given would be used to pay for meals and drinks and before long you have a substantial cost (which can still be worth it). So an interlining fee that guarantees a connection or next flight may be cost effective.
24 Sep 2015
at 10:22
transtraxmanParticipantO´Leary is at it again.
“Ryanair Has Applied For CDG, Orly Slots”, (Airwise/Reuters 30-9-15)
The important thing is what is said in the last two paragraphs………http://news.airwise.com/story/ryanair-has-applied-for-cdg-orly-slots
“It would be perfectly logical for long-haul airlines like Air France to ask for our help to reduce their losses on short-haul flights,” he said, adding that Ryanair flights could feed Air France at CDG, IAG flights at Gatwick or Lufthansa flights in Berlin.
“We have already had discussions about this topic with IAG, TAP, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian. I think we will be able to announce a few deals next summer,” O’Leary said”.
Is this a real pòssibility or just hot air?
1 Oct 2015
at 17:46
FDOS_UKParticipantCome the next downturn, now many airlines have gone through major cost cutting programmes, there must be a possibility that they will no longer have any more operational costs to cut.
Ryanair, with the lowest costs of the larger players, will be well positioned to help the legacies stay in business, by delivering connecting passengers at a bearable cost per seat, allowing them to cut back their inefficient short haul routes.
2 Oct 2015
at 04:22
AMcWhirterParticipantThe situation is developing. Although not a conventional carrier, Norwegian’s CEO says a deal with Ryanair is “close” in a report from CH-Aviation.
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/40602-norwegians-kjos-says-interline-deal-with-ryanair-close
2 Oct 2015
at 10:24
LuganoPirateParticipantSometime ago in a post I mentioned that BA should let EY run their short haul ops as they seem to do this so efficiently. It seems the Germans have realised this and are doing it instead. It actually makes good sense though I’m not sure how happy premium passengers will be flying LCC then onto a longhaul flight in F or C, let alone the other way! However, the feeder flights are pretty basic anyway and as long as they prioritise boarding and all the other things that make travelling that much easier for premium travel I guess they’ll cope.
Malpensa airport also offers an interlining service connecting passengers to/from LCC’s to / from other airlines. I’ve had good reports though I’ve not used it myself.
2 Oct 2015
at 11:15
TimFitzgeraldTCParticipantFDoS
I think you are right. I imagine the only short haul routes in future served by the non-LCC’s will be key feeders such as LHR-AMS / FRA / CDG / MAD / GVA / ZRH. But any non major capital and 2nd city flights will go to EZY type carriers
2 Oct 2015
at 13:15
MarcusGBParticipantKLM and AF also interline to Etihad flights, with their code share agreement of 10 years.
Cityjet was sold off by The Group, but IF you book on the KLM website, it counts as a KLM flight, so you do not have the low cost services of Cityjet, your booking has a KL prefix. Otherwise you may pay for luggage, and have to collect baggage and re-check in for your connecting flight, meaning you may miss this!
Very important if you connect to a KLM flight or another Airline if they have the same agreement3 Oct 2015
at 00:23
transtraxmanParticipantKLM and AF interlining with Etihad is not the same as Cityjet interlining with any of the three or any others for that matter.
The agreement between SAS and Cityjet is of interest.
http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/102094/sas-outsources-regional-flights-to-cityjet
Also is Vueling´s interlining with Iberia and BA,
Loganair´s interlining with Flybe (despite now being part of the BMI group), while BMI interlines with Lufthansa……………………………….the list goes on.
The question is this, even after the failed attempt by FlybeNordic to make a go of feeding a legacy airline with regional passengers, does such a strategy have a future?
One thing is on a small local scale, as the aforementioned alliances are, another thing is a grand alliance between a LCC and one or more of the big legacy groups? Would such alliances be workable, especially where a LCC serves more than one legacy airline(s)? Opinions please.3 Oct 2015
at 14:34
FlightlevelParticipantIts a good idea to consider though the practicality is difficult, LCC’s will take no responsibilty for transfer bags, preferring pax to do that, & the nature of LCC flying is that flights get delayed later in the day so transfer times have to be increased – will they put that into computers for connections? The IAG airlines are different since they have one owner & they are not really LCC’s although they operate at low costs.
3 Oct 2015
at 23:55
AMcWhirterParticipantFlightlevel –
Please check our original news article linked in the original posting.
Yes transfer times would longer (because passengers would likely have to check/re-check their bags) but then there’s less chance of bags going astray.
What the LCCs can offer (at certain main airports) is the fact they can feed the conventional carriers from such a wide range of destinations both large and small.
4 Oct 2015
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