For real? Outrage after woman posts photos from cockpit
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at 02:15 by jsn55.
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ExecPlatAAParticipanthttps://www.yahoo.com/travel/internet-outraged-after-woman-posts-photos-from-113169074757.html
Quite shocking. When I clicked on the article, i did not expect to see CX as the airline in question
9 Mar 2015
at 18:38
MartynSinclairParticipantI may be out on a limb here, but I do not see what all the fuss is about. I do not see a problem with flight deck visits, in a controlled environment.
El Al have been known to allow flight deck visits post 9/11….
9 Mar 2015
at 20:10
ExecPlatAAParticipantPerhaps US centric paranoia here but I cant see how seating a pax in the cockpit for 2 hrs in flight, is a wise move under any circumstances. Visiting a deck is one thing – while on the ground, but once the cockpit doors are locked – only flight crew should be permitted. Wasn’t the co-pilot of the MH370 criticized widely after it was found out that he had invited guests into the cockpit on previous flights? Unwise, unsafe, and not in line with most international standards, and I wouldn’t be surprised if CX takes action (that said, the report in the link above indicates that a CX rep defended the action saying “relatives of crew” were allowed in the cockpit seat- whatever for?. Let a surgeon bring their kids to watch an operation? I doubt it. Indefensible.
9 Mar 2015
at 21:40
MartynSinclairParticipantdid anything happen??
I accept a closed flight deck is more secure…. but quite frankly, you do not need to gain access to the flight deck to cause havoc.
I have friends that fly for large airlines and generally, longhaul pilots rarely fly together more than once in a career. I remember conversations with Capt’s, who were constantly worried who their co-pilots were….. were they sleepers…. Bottom line is that someone who wants to down an airplane does not need access to the flight deck…
Yes it is strange for the Chineese women to be on the flight deck…….. would I be too concerned….. no not really…….. but I doubt many would agree with me….
10 Mar 2015
at 00:19
ExecPlatAAParticipantSurely “something” need not have happened for this to be inappropriate? Just because a Pilot may not trust a co-pilot (for whatever reason), does not give the crew carte-blanche to invite abject strangers (race, gender, ethnicity, national origin notwithstanding) to the cockpit in-flight – in a “what difference does this make” attitude. Gosh – if this were true, lets do away with all forms of security and make it a free for all. I doubt many would sign up for that. CX crew should have known better and the airline coming to the defense of such irresponsible behavior is even worse. In the US, the crew would have been sacked – no question about it.
Sorry, but have to disagree with you. Would love to hear from the BA crew and others on this forum on this.10 Mar 2015
at 03:42
TheRealBabushkaParticipantExecPlatAA,
Do you honestly believe the tech crew is going to keep the cockpit door locked if a perpetrator is intent on taking control of the aircraft? Are they going to keep the door locked despite the cabin crew and pax being killed one by one in retaliation?
Welcome to the drama of modern aviation security. The more you play up security activities undertaken the more the public feels safe.10 Mar 2015
at 06:04
Poshgirl58ParticipantI witnessed this a number of times on the now-defunct Cyprus Airways, including take off and landing, which I thought wasn’t allowed even before the post 9/11 restrictions. There was also the case of the pilot sacked for allowing ex-footballer/now pundit onto flight deck, although it was charter flight where all passengers knew each other.
Martyn makes some valid points, especially about flightdeck visits in a controlled environment. Perhaps CX should have taken possession of her ‘phone until they arrived at destination and she should have exercised more commonsense.
10 Mar 2015
at 09:52
MartynSinclairParticipantBut security is still in abundance through the whole airport process. I agree the flight deck needs to be secure / safe, but I do not really see the need for it to remain 100% sterile, simply because the you do not need to enter the flight deck to bring an aircraft down.
As I said, I may be out on a limb here, but I see no reason in 2015, for the flight deck to be sterile, only secure… and in controlled situations, I would have no problem with passenger access (but please read the word “controlled”).
10 Mar 2015
at 09:53
rfergusonParticipantEach countries aviation regulatory body will set the law as applicable to flight deck access. The individual company is then also able to set a more restrictive policy if they wish.
In this case, it seems that Cathay was following the conditions set down by the Hong Kong aviation authority. The passenger in the flight deck was either CX staff or an immediate family member.
At BA the policy is a bit more restrictive – only flight or cabin crew travelling on leisure can travel in the flight deck. Although other staff and staff travel nominees can travel on jump seats in the cabin.
A 100% sterile cockpit is almost impossible. Short of installing a mini galley, rest and toilet facilities in every flight deck there will always be an opportunity to gain access.
10 Mar 2015
at 09:58
MartynSinclairParticipantWasn’t there talk at some stage of the A380 being made with a sterile flight deck, including a sterile entry door, making it impossible for anyone to access. I believe it never went ahead because of safety reasons.
Irrespective of each countries regulatory stance on flight deck access, in USA airspace, any pilot from any country would be foolhardy letting a passenger have access to the flight deck.
10 Mar 2015
at 10:18
ExecPlatAAParticipantTheRealBabushka
As you asked me Do you honestly believe the tech crew is going to keep the cockpit door locked if a perpetrator is intent on taking control of the aircraft? – Yes, I do believe that (just as Handbag does).Yes, there are several ways in which aircraft safety can be compromised, but inviting trouble (literally and otherwise) by having tourists in the cockpit, undermines the seriousness of the the job. There is no way a US airline would allow this. Also, sterility of the cockpit is broken several times in-flight – rest room breaks, meal service, etc, but the US airline crew do a good job of blocking the access to the cockpit during those times by having 2 crew members on guard and a heavy trolley blocking the entryway. I had no idea, CX was this lax in their policies – makes me (and others who are outraged on other sites as well) question their other protocols.
10 Mar 2015
at 16:45
TheRealBabushkaParticipantExecPlatAA,
Yes I’ve witness that piece of drama on AA when the beverage cart was used to block access to the forward galley when the tech went on breaks. It was quite compelling and made me chuckle. Incidentally I have not seen that procedure performed on any non-US airline. If that makes people feel safer so be it. But security requires a more wholistic approach and the right type of intelligence gathering. Of course nothing can protect you if the tech crew has gone loco and is on a kamikaze mission.handbag,
That may be the case but I wonder how long they will resist with corpses building up in the galley.10 Mar 2015
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