Denied boarding – my rights

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  • Anonymous
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    Daytripper
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    I’d rather not mention the airline, to avoid this post degenerating something personal towards individual airlines, but I would appreciate forum members’ advice.

    I was travelling from Heathrow Terminal 4 and was in the business lounge awaiting the flight, and walked to my gate within reasonable time of ‘boarding’ being displayed on the screen in the lounge.

    When I got to the gate, the gate staff informed me that the flight had closed and I had missed my flight. There had not been any ‘last call’ or ‘flight closing’ notification in the lounge.

    What are my rights?


    Senator
    Participant

    What did your boarding card say in regards to when the gate closes? How many minutes prior to the scheduled departure did you arrive at the gate?

    Before I can advice you, I would need to know the above. Most airlines will close the gate 15-20 minutes before the scheduled departure. I never rely on boards in the airport or the lounge. I go by the policy which is normally printed on the card.


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Hard to say without knowing the details as “reasonable time of boarding” can differ significantly between operators.

    Most boarding passes have a ‘gate closing’ time on them. If you were at the gate before that time then I would say you have a case. If you weren’t then probably not.

    Same with the lounge. Depends which lounge you were in. Often no announcements are made in the lounges particularly if it’s a shared facility. I think it’s down to the traveller to manage that.


    MartynSinclair
    Participant

    any checked bags… this could have made the airline slightly keener to close the flight a few minutes early, in case the hold needed to be shuffled to offload a bag…


    ViajeroUK
    Participant

    I have no faith in the display screens in lounges.

    Have almost been caught out when I have left the lounge before ‘boarding’ has been displayed on the lounge screen to use the shopping centre en route to the gate. In public area outisde the lounge (less than a minutes walk) screens displayed ‘boarding/last call’, so a dash to the gate to find most pax already boarded!

    Now, I always adhere to the boarding time on the boarding card, unless the flight is delayed.

    Your rights, imo, would depend upon whether you presented at the gate prior to the gate closing time on the boarding card.


    Daytripper
    Participant

    To tell the truth, I can’t remember what it said on my boarding pass.

    But come on… boarding time stated on the BP is often wildly inaccurate and takes no account of delays etc.


    esselle
    Participant

    How long before the scheduled departure time did you arrive at the gate?


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Unfortunately when it comes to denied boarding what is says on the BP is what the airline will rely on. I know with EK it clearly says the gate will close 20 mins (I think) before departure and sure enough they generally apply this.


    MrMichael
    Participant

    How many times have I been sat in 1F wishing we just go without the blighter/blighters we are waiting for?

    Answer, too many times and far too often to the detriment of my blood pressure, and probably the blood pressure of the 150 sat behind me, not to mention the crew, ATC and everybody else further down the line that gets hacked off big time.

    Daytripper, please tell me the airline so I can use them in future.


    BigDog.
    Participant

    Daytripper – how many passengers for your flight were denied boarding?

    If you were the only one, then consider reflecting on how all the others made it on time.
    If there were several of you missing it, then consider clubing together and make an approach to the airline wrt how they can improve their information sharing/accuracy to avoid hacking off a number of passengers.


    Ab0dache
    Participant

    Rights for denied boarding are clearly stated, I guess, only for overbooking events.

    I have some sympathy for you Daytripper as I had also in the past been denied boarding just because the gate agents wanted to see the aircraft leave the gate earlier than expected.

    And I was at the gate 10 minutes before the supposed last expected time to board. So I do not understand really here where I was in error.
    Ok for sure not at the beginning of the boarding time.
    I was eventually authorised to be booked on the next flight even with a non flexible ticket.
    OK lesson learned but I feel it is still a little bit abusive.
    Of course the flight was not full and definitively the ground staff wanted the aircraft to pushback early.

    Were you authorised to be booked on the next available flight?

    Airlines at Terminal 4 are not at their home base and use a lot of outsourced ground staff. You are basically not dealing with the airlines’ staff but with people following procedures in the way they understand it.
    Nowadays we are not anymore called in the lounge if the aircraft is to leave earlier because of low occupancy for instance.

    Regarding rights that are not clearly stated by an EU rule for instance, I noticed easyjet has been fine in the past because it denied boarding to passenger requiring special assistance during the flight (according to easyjet or its handling supplier).
    There is no rule for that. The passenger complained he did not need special assitance during the flight and was still denied boarding. He went to the human rights defender as easyjet still argued it did not have the choice but to denied him boarding. And finally won the case.
    Easyjet stopped arguing at that point and understood its error. And that heps the future passengers such as this one.

    Is it possible that your local court of justice agree with you or some sort of human rights defender? Just an idea.

    Not everything works only by the rule or procedure or action dictated by the supplier or the airline here.
    The Justice sometimes has something else to say.


    SimonS1
    Participant

    Without knowing the facts of what happened it is hard to say really.


    HongKongLady
    Participant

    There is a rather old but excellent you tube video of a lady being denied boarding in HK.


    Senator
    Participant

    I was going to share this story once @Daytripper shared some of the facts with us. However, we don’t know yet what transpired.

    I have some sympathy for our poster; mostly from the inconsistency across the industry and across airports. Some airlines print visibly on the boarding pass when the gate closes. Some airports and airlines are very good with boards around the common areas and lounges, others provide limited information. Despite this and in fairness to the airlines, adhering to their specific policy is our own responsibility and I for one don’t trust the boards.

    Two years ago, I was on an Avios booking with my 14 year old nephew. We had been to New York, and were in transit through T5. I parked him near the breakfast buffet, while I took a shower. We left the Galleries First lounge for A10 about 25min before departure to Stockholm (ARN). We walked leisurely down, and reached the gate 18 minutes before departure to find the flight closed. For the record, A10 is a multi-bus-gate, so it was a bit hard to figure our which gate was our.

    Behind me was a gentleman who also walked down from the Galleries South complex. I instantly looked down on my boarding card, and realized we were in fact late. Obviously, a stressful situation but the time was clearly stated on the boarding card. I asked what we could do, and we were sent off to Customer Service. The other gentleman was throwing a child-like tantrum.

    He and I stood side-by-side talking to two different agents:
    My position was; I made a mess of this and I had a 14 year old with me, is there anything that can be done?
    His position was: BA is rubbish, you should have waited for me. To make the situation worse for him, he kept on pointing to me at which point the BA agent said: “Well Sir, the gentleman you are referring to has admitted to us that you were late to the gate. So if you are saying you are in the same situation, he has confirmed that you did not adhere to the time printed on the card. Would you like to change your story”?

    The Outcome
    The next flight was full across all cabins. We were booked in Club on Avios, he in EuroTraveller. We were put on the mid-day flight to Stockholm.

    My incremental cost: “Mr. Senator, we all make mistakes. I have rebooked you on the next available flight to Stockholm, free of charge as a gesture of your loyalty and for being honest with us”.

    His incremental cost: £250 rebooking and fare difference

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