Business Traveller RSS - Frequent traveller: Parental guidance Mon, 28 May 2012 05:12:49 GMT en http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance Matchbox 3.8 Panacea Publishing Anonymous http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance Anonymous Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:06:28 GMT As regular readers will have noticed, this column is written by two people. And while we both have punishing schedules, weight issues, gold cards with all the major hotel programmes and difficulty reconciling personal relationships with our business commitments, we differ in a number of crucial respects. Most notably – I am a man, she is a woman. The second – I have kids, she does not.

Last month’s column by my esteemed colleague, “Baby blues”, had something of a polarising effect:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/frequent-traveller-baby-blues

The title gives a hint to the nature of the offence, as did her “special request to parents travelling with their children – strap them in and shut them up”.

I have to defend her as the said article was not, as some have suggested, a diatribe against children, but against parents – more specifically, “the school-dodging parent”, “the hard of hearing parent” and “the make-yourself-at-home parent”. I did feel sorry for her after reading some of the comments – “It would seem to me that you are married to your job and probably have no children, no personal life, but a nice pocketbook, luggage and apartment that you never see.”

Having just returned from the family’s summer holiday (long haul, in economy), I felt her pain in many respects, although as a parent I tend to think the most sympathy should be kept for those chaperoning the little ones, not those who have left them at home or never had them in the first place.

It’s hard enough checking your emails while walking through an airport without having to keep your eye on two hyperactive children playing dodgems on airport trolleys. And, for the record, putting stickers on the handles forbidding kids from riding on them has the opposite effect. It’s as useful as explaining that the baggage carousel isn’t some kind of horizontal hamster wheel invented for their entertainment. I thought the appearance of the first bags would put them off, but they just treated them as hurdles.

The flight over wasn’t as bad as it might have been. Yes, the heavy-drinking lady in front did recline her seat with such violence that my seven-year-old boy might have suffered concussion. I say might because he seems to be permanently dazed, so it’s hard to judge. But the irony was that when he yelled out in pain she snarled that she would “appreciate it if I would keep my son under control so he didn’t bang the back of her seat”. Her partner apologised, and then they sat in silence for the rest of the flight while we laughed like drains at Ice Age 2.

As it was the summer holidays, there was no problem with the children’s misbehaviour at the hotel. At least half the place was occupied by families, and guests without kids never left their rooms, relying on room service, tranquillisers and ear plugs. But it’s not other travellers I feel sorry for, it’s the staff. Highly trained and used to dealing with sophisticated couples and time-strapped business people, they suddenly have to become family entertainers. As for the housekeepers – I imagine they fight to take this time off rather than deal with the pigsties they face.

My wife and I had our own solution to that problem – we took two interconnecting rooms, having given up on cramming us all into one. It’s hard enough sharing a decent-sized family house with them, let alone one room. The last time we tried it we spent most of the time on the balcony being bitten by mosquitos while the kids rewired the entertainment system. Besides, independence is important for children, and so we let them sort out their own room – and after they slammed the connecting door several times a minute for the first hour, we simply locked it and hid the key, forcing them to use the corridor. Quieter for us, noisier for anyone else staying on the seventh floor.

I don’t know what it is about key cards but we certainly eroded the hotel’s profit margin that week with the number we lost. I know they are endlessly fascinating things but I did find it dispiriting that having explained for the 17th time that they didn’t open anyone else’s door, my daughter insisted on trying every one she passed. Eventually she pushed against one that wasn’t properly closed and it burst open. Her look of triumph was worth seeing, but not as much as the faces of the couple whose afternoon “nap” we disturbed.

Still, all good things come to an end. The flight back was uneventful because we all slept. Well, my wife and I did. I’ve no idea about the kids. And there was a nice surprise when we got home. My wife couldn’t believe how neatly our son had packed his bag and how clean his clothes were. Then she realised why. He’d never opened it. No wonder the one outfit he wore was so filthy. Saved on the washing though.

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As regular readers will have noticed, this column is written by two people. And while we both have punishing schedules, weight issues, gold cards with all the major hotel programmes and difficulty reconciling personal relationships with our business commitments, we differ in a number of crucial respects. Most notably – I am a man, she is a woman. The second – I have kids, she does not.

Last month’s column by my esteemed colleague, “Baby blues”, had something of a polarising effect:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/frequent-traveller-baby-blues

The title gives a hint to the nature of the offence, as did her “special request to parents travelling with their children – strap them in and shut them up”.

I have to defend her as the said article was not, as some have suggested, a diatribe against children, but against parents – more specifically, “the school-dodging parent”, “the hard of hearing parent” and “the make-yourself-at-home parent”. I did feel sorry for her after reading some of the comments – “It would seem to me that you are married to your job and probably have no children, no personal life, but a nice pocketbook, luggage and apartment that you never see.”

Having just returned from the family’s summer holiday (long haul, in economy), I felt her pain in many respects, although as a parent I tend to think the most sympathy should be kept for those chaperoning the little ones, not those who have left them at home or never had them in the first place.

It’s hard enough checking your emails while walking through an airport without having to keep your eye on two hyperactive children playing dodgems on airport trolleys. And, for the record, putting stickers on the handles forbidding kids from riding on them has the opposite effect. It’s as useful as explaining that the baggage carousel isn’t some kind of horizontal hamster wheel invented for their entertainment. I thought the appearance of the first bags would put them off, but they just treated them as hurdles.

The flight over wasn’t as bad as it might have been. Yes, the heavy-drinking lady in front did recline her seat with such violence that my seven-year-old boy might have suffered concussion. I say might because he seems to be permanently dazed, so it’s hard to judge. But the irony was that when he yelled out in pain she snarled that she would “appreciate it if I would keep my son under control so he didn’t bang the back of her seat”. Her partner apologised, and then they sat in silence for the rest of the flight while we laughed like drains at Ice Age 2.

As it was the summer holidays, there was no problem with the children’s misbehaviour at the hotel. At least half the place was occupied by families, and guests without kids never left their rooms, relying on room service, tranquillisers and ear plugs. But it’s not other travellers I feel sorry for, it’s the staff. Highly trained and used to dealing with sophisticated couples and time-strapped business people, they suddenly have to become family entertainers. As for the housekeepers – I imagine they fight to take this time off rather than deal with the pigsties they face.

My wife and I had our own solution to that problem – we took two interconnecting rooms, having given up on cramming us all into one. It’s hard enough sharing a decent-sized family house with them, let alone one room. The last time we tried it we spent most of the time on the balcony being bitten by mosquitos while the kids rewired the entertainment system. Besides, independence is important for children, and so we let them sort out their own room – and after they slammed the connecting door several times a minute for the first hour, we simply locked it and hid the key, forcing them to use the corridor. Quieter for us, noisier for anyone else staying on the seventh floor.

I don’t know what it is about key cards but we certainly eroded the hotel’s profit margin that week with the number we lost. I know they are endlessly fascinating things but I did find it dispiriting that having explained for the 17th time that they didn’t open anyone else’s door, my daughter insisted on trying every one she passed. Eventually she pushed against one that wasn’t properly closed and it burst open. Her look of triumph was worth seeing, but not as much as the faces of the couple whose afternoon “nap” we disturbed.

Still, all good things come to an end. The flight back was uneventful because we all slept. Well, my wife and I did. I’ve no idea about the kids. And there was a nice surprise when we got home. My wife couldn’t believe how neatly our son had packed his bag and how clean his clothes were. Then she realised why. He’d never opened it. No wonder the one outfit he wore was so filthy. Saved on the washing though.

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DisgustedofSwieqi http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DisgustedofSwieqi Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:42:51 GMT With all due respect, what has a commentary about going on holiday in economy got to do with business travellers, many of who on this site have only a vague inkling of where the back of the plane is.

Weak stuff.

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With all due respect, what has a commentary about going on holiday in economy got to do with business travellers, many of who on this site have only a vague inkling of where the back of the plane is.

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Travel-guru http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance Travel-guru Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:01:27 GMT Could it be for business travel, not just business class. Just a thought. Amused me for a couple of minutes.

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Could it be for business travel, not just business class. Just a thought. Amused me for a couple of minutes.

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DStrose http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DStrose Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:10:23 GMT DisgustedofSwieqi - Life's a funny thing. Who knows, you may have no choice BUT to travel in Economy some day. Don't be such a snob!

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DisgustedofSwieqi - Life's a funny thing. Who knows, you may have no choice BUT to travel in Economy some day. Don't be such a snob!

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itsmeagain http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance itsmeagain Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:28:41 GMT lighten up - it's August - topical for some, no news month for others. And, as an excercise , maybe those who wouldn't know the back of a plane should have a look sometime - downgrading/redundancy can happen to anyone!!

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lighten up - it's August - topical for some, no news month for others. And, as an excercise , maybe those who wouldn't know the back of a plane should have a look sometime - downgrading/redundancy can happen to anyone!!

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DisgustedofSwieqi http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DisgustedofSwieqi Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:28:49 GMT DStrose

I was pointing out that this article is about taking a family on holiday in economy class, posted on a website where most of the frequent posters travel in premium classes.

It is therefore not relevant to many posters here.

As for being a snob, it sounds as if you have a chip on your shoulder and have filtered my comments through your cognitive bias.

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DStrose

I was pointing out that this article is about taking a family on holiday in economy class, posted on a website where most of the frequent posters travel in premium classes.

It is therefore not relevant to many posters here.

As for being a snob, it sounds as if you have a chip on your shoulder and have filtered my comments through your cognitive bias.

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DStrose http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DStrose Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:33:02 GMT DisgustedofSwieqi - Please do grow up somewhat! The article was an interesting read and perfectly valid for Business travellers. The way in which you have replied to my post only re-affirms my first impressions of you. You seem to be a bit above yourself matey. Ta ta!

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DisgustedofSwieqi - Please do grow up somewhat! The article was an interesting read and perfectly valid for Business travellers. The way in which you have replied to my post only re-affirms my first impressions of you. You seem to be a bit above yourself matey. Ta ta!

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excessbaggage http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance excessbaggage Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:33:39 GMT I agree with DStrose, Travel-guru and MEllison - it's meant to be a lighthearted piece, and i for one do travel frequently in economy.

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I agree with DStrose, Travel-guru and MEllison - it's meant to be a lighthearted piece, and i for one do travel frequently in economy.

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flyingbunny http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance flyingbunny Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:36:26 GMT DisgustedofSwieqi – just because we are business travellers does not mean we don't have a family or take holidays - I travel in business on business but i can't take my whole family long haul in business class. So it is very relevant.

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DisgustedofSwieqi – just because we are business travellers does not mean we don't have a family or take holidays - I travel in business on business but i can't take my whole family long haul in business class. So it is very relevant.

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DisgustedofSwieqi http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DisgustedofSwieqi Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:55:07 GMT Obviously the riff raff are in strength on this thread.

Time to go back to Vintage Krug and the others who can afford a premium cabin ;-)

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Obviously the riff raff are in strength on this thread.

Time to go back to Vintage Krug and the others who can afford a premium cabin ;-)

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DStrose http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance DStrose Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:56:59 GMT DisgustedofSwieqi - Off you go then! Glad to see you do actually have some common sense.

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DisgustedofSwieqi - Off you go then! Glad to see you do actually have some common sense.

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bombayteddy http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance bombayteddy Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:04:46 GMT I found the piece quite funny and well-written....and true! Especially the part about the drunken lady. But I have to say this: its the parents' responsibility to control their kids on planes, no matter which class they're flying....and in airports and hotels. Often they couldnt care less, or are too indulgent and expect the same from others. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour....from adult and child alike!

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I found the piece quite funny and well-written....and true! Especially the part about the drunken lady. But I have to say this: its the parents' responsibility to control their kids on planes, no matter which class they're flying....and in airports and hotels. Often they couldnt care less, or are too indulgent and expect the same from others. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour....from adult and child alike!

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kevin46 http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance kevin46 Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:27:04 GMT Nothing more boring than business people without a sense of humour. Well, I suppose that's why you're in business and not the service industry.

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Nothing more boring than business people without a sense of humour. Well, I suppose that's why you're in business and not the service industry.

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JJ51435 http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance JJ51435 Sat, 04 Sep 2010 06:01:40 GMT The only solution I see is to fly on a private plane.

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The only solution I see is to fly on a private plane.

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VintageKrug http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance http://www.businesstraveller.com/discussion/topic/Frequent-traveller-Parental-guidance VintageKrug Sat, 04 Sep 2010 06:16:34 GMT Quite right, JJ.

Flying by Public Transport is so 1998.

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Quite right, JJ.

Flying by Public Transport is so 1998.

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